Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[hornetrider]

Halb said:

richtea78 said:

I was surprised at that arc. Seemed to go to a lot of trouble then just stopped

Was a bit of a puzzler.....

Yeah I thought he'd last a bit longer.

[TREMAiNE]

hornetrider said:

Halb said:

richtea78 said:

I was surprised at that arc. Seemed to go to a lot of trouble then just stopped

Was a bit of a puzzler.....

Yeah I thought he'd last a bit longer.

I agree! He had a good bit of characterization and then bang, gone.

[Halb]

Great death though!

[escargot]

I noticed at the start that Tommen was referred to as being from the House Baratheon. Joffrey was always referred to as being from the Houses Baratheon and Lannister. I wonder if that's a subtle hint at the shifting of Lannister power?

[GetCarter]

GarryDK said:

forgot spoiler

Too late. You are RIGHT off my Christmas card list. Ta for ruining that.

[GarryDK]

GetCarter said:

GarryDK said:

forgot spoiler

Too late. You are RIGHT off my Christmas card list. Ta for ruining that.

[Steve Evil]

Won't mean much unless you've played or seen Titanfall, but had a quick chuckle at this today when I saw it:

[Halb]

BlackST said:

Could the way Tywin said that they are skint, can't remember the exact words, just be a way of showing just how big the Iron Bank is and what is coming our way?
I'd be interested to see if he is speaking about being low on funds as far as the Lannisters go or as far as the crown goes. Lannisport and Casterly Rock presumably have other businesses however the crown must cost a lot to run. Such a big army. Other outgoings that keep people in power.
Will be interesting to see where the show goes with that. Seems like the Lannisters st gold at the moment.

We already know from the first series that the Crown is millions in debt to both Tywin Lannister and the Bank. I think.
Tywin's revelation means that we now know the coffers of Casterly Rock have not had new gold payments for three years, before the money sapping war started. So it is reasonable to assume that the Lannisters are now broke what with fighting wars for the past two-ish years. So the Crown is broke who owes the Lannisters millions, and the Lannisters are broke (or close probably).

blueg33 said:

I think that in Westeros the only people with any real money are the Tyrells and the Dornish. Although at the moment we dont really know how wealthy Highgarden is.

Any region that has been separate from the war will still have all it's cash, so Dorne and the Eyrie. But I think that Dorne isn't that wealthy to begin with, it's just a big desert (probably lots of oil but what use is that! )
Highgarden joined the war late and didn't really do much, save KL and that's it. Highgarden controls the fertile garden of the 7 Kingdoms (supplying KL with food) so I reckon it's still pretty rich from rents and being untouched by war.


edit.
http://lightlybuzzed.com/2014/05/06/game-thrones-t...
Hmm, Cersei's ship...I had forgotten that...I now have a theory!

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 6th May 19:33

[richtea78]

I think Dorne is meant to be wealthy. Not sure how though

[DervVW]

All down to money... even in fiction

[Halb]

DervVW said:

All down to money... even in fiction

That's what anchors it in reality...that and dragon tits.



Dorne has a large merchant class?

[richtea78]

DervVW said:

All down to money... even in fiction

Money and women

[ukbabz]

Halb said:

Any region that has been separate from the war will still have all it's cash, so Dorne and the Eyrie. But I think that Dorne isn't that wealthy to begin with, it's just a big desert (probably lots of oil but what use is that! )
Highgarden joined the war late and didn't really do much, save KL and that's it. Highgarden controls the fertile garden of the 7 Kingdoms (supplying KL with food) so I reckon it's still pretty rich from rents and being untouched by war.


edit.
http://lightlybuzzed.com/2014/05/06/game-thrones-t...
Hmm, Cersei's ship...I had forgotten that...I now have a theory!

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 6th May 19:33

A lot of the wine in Westeros is Dornish (not as fine as Arbor gold though). Also Dorne is known for other exotic (see mediterrean foods) such as chillies, lemons and olives.

Winter is coming, and food is scarce...

[Mr Will]

richtea78 said:

I think Dorne is meant to be wealthy. Not sure how though

They can be wealthy without having a huge income as long as they haven't been wasting it on kings and wars.

[Jasandjules]

I am somewhat confused about this iron bank business. I mean, have they mortgaged King's Landing and are going to rock up and take it? What can they do to the person who controls the army? Or is the implication that they would stop funding so the army would then f**k off as they are not being paid?

[lemmingjames]

Basically theyll cut the funding to the current King and back an alternate who promises to pay them.

in the books though the guy comes to 'here', visits KL gets told to do one and goes and see's Stannis

[ali_kat]

Jasandjules said:

I am somewhat confused about this iron bank business. I mean, have they mortgaged King's Landing and are going to rock up and take it? What can they do to the person who controls the army? Or is the implication that they would stop funding so the army would then f**k off as they are not being paid?

All will become clear, I'm not spoiling it for you by answering your query

I hope it goes the way it should, and they don't twist it as they have other parts, if they do I'll explain

[Halb]

Jasandjules said:

I am somewhat confused about this iron bank business. I mean, have they mortgaged King's Landing and are going to rock up and take it? What can they do to the person who controls the army? Or is the implication that they would stop funding so the army would then f**k off as they are not being paid?

From what I recall the throne owes the bank several million dragons (or whatever). We know that Tyrion is struggling to make the money flow after taking over from Littlefinger. Most likely a deliberate legacy of LFs.
The city needs to pay the goldcloaks (and everyone else). The crown itself doesn't have a standing army save for seven white cloaks and the personal army of the current monarch, whom I also (just realised) think is de facto Lord of the Storm Lands? So he has the income from the Storm Lands (not known for being rich) as well as the Crown Lands (destroyed by warfare).
So Tom Baratheon is in charge and he could call on the Storm Lords, but their bannerman might prove not that reliable, considering the incest rumours. The Lannisters are broke and the only army nearby is the 40,000 odd strong Tyrell army currently protecting the capital. I think that's the number Olenna said? So Tywin & Tom are basically defended by the people they were aligned against only a very short while ago.
If the Bank doesn't get it's interest payments then it could just easily back any pretender, of which the most intractable one would be Stannis.
It's basically just like history, which makes it fascinating for me.

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

It's basically just like history, which makes it fascinating for me.

Yep, the detail in the backstory is great. As is the development of the old/high Valerian languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valyrian_languages

Fascinating. I love language roots (latin, greek etc)

[FiF]

So one outgoing administration has spent all the money on idiot projects and wars. (Robert Baratheon played by Tony Blair / Littlefinger played by G Brown)

New administration is headed by a dopy illegitimate bar steward with someone struggling to get the finances straight (Joffrey played by D Cameron / Tyrion played by G Osborne, Tywin by nobody)

Meanwhile some bankrupt set are planning to take over the kingdoms (Stannis played by Leaders of the EU all taking it in turns)

Meanwhile a people's army gathers led by a right old hard ass queen (Daenaerys played by Nigel Farage)