GHOSTBUSTERS 3

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Centurion07

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248 months

Thursday 24th January 2019
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Oh good god, that would be the BEST film poster EVER if they used it! rofl

J4CKO

41,733 posts

201 months

Thursday 24th January 2019
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Centurion07 said:
Oh good god, that would be the BEST film poster EVER if they used it! rofl
Except that they are going to have some ladies in the new one arent they ?

I think some premises work best as male and some as female, the original GB had the protagonists as somewhere between high brow scientists and something like a Dyno Rod type thing, there are geeky/oddball women scientists (worked with a few) but the other aspect didnt ring true, it felt forced.

They need to go all out for a fan pleaser, without any massive changes to the formula that worked so well first time round, the surviving guys are all much older or sadly no longer with us, but I am sure they can still do that interplay and there are plenty of talented younger actors, I feel sorry for Chris Hemsworth having to do the terrible male bimbo thing, why was that ok, you couldnt portray a woman like that these days and he was wasted.


JagLover

42,565 posts

236 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
Except that they are going to have some ladies in the new one arent they ?

I think some premises work best as male and some as female, the original GB had the protagonists as somewhere between high brow scientists and something like a Dyno Rod type thing, there are geeky/oddball women scientists (worked with a few) but the other aspect didnt ring true, it felt forced.

They need to go all out for a fan pleaser, without any massive changes to the formula that worked so well first time round, the surviving guys are all much older or sadly no longer with us, but I am sure they can still do that interplay and there are plenty of talented younger actors, I feel sorry for Chris Hemsworth having to do the terrible male bimbo thing, why was that ok, you couldnt portray a woman like that these days and he was wasted.
The new Ghostbusters needs to be a hand over from the old cast to a new generation, like AFA in Star Wars. It should also likely have a mixed new team, but not make a song and dance about it, here's a new team 1 or 2 of which just happen to be women.

Hol

8,419 posts

201 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
Centurion07 said:
Oh good god, that would be the BEST film poster EVER if they used it! rofl
Except that they are going to have some ladies in the new one arent they ?

I think some premises work best as male and some as female, the original GB had the protagonists as somewhere between high brow scientists and something like a Dyno Rod type thing, there are geeky/oddball women scientists (worked with a few) but the other aspect didnt ring true, it felt forced.

They need to go all out for a fan pleaser, without any massive changes to the formula that worked so well first time round, the surviving guys are all much older or sadly no longer with us, but I am sure they can still do that interplay and there are plenty of talented younger actors, I feel sorry for Chris Hemsworth having to do the terrible male bimbo thing, why was that ok, you couldnt portray a woman like that these days and he was wasted.
He probably got a new fourth house in Aspen and an AMG for what was probably the least amount of work he has ever done on a film.

I'll bet he's laughing.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Personally, I wouldn't want any new cast members, or handover, or new team. Couldn't give a st about that. That's not what I'd want to see, or have wanted since GB2. I'd want a real nostalgia gift, where the story actually is about the old team, none of this patronizing and limited handover st, that's so formulaic. Ghosbusters wasn't that. I'd like something like Space Cowboys/Unforgiven where the old farts are in the story and the story is them, and how they deal or don't deal with it. Maybe have some sort of help for 15% of the film as a sop to any (in the old days sense) possible future. But the story would be horrible if it was a traditional transition story. I don't see Murray (without the threat of a multimillion dollar SOny lawsuit this time) doing something like that either.

robemcdonald

8,862 posts

197 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Halb said:
Personally, I wouldn't want any new cast members, or handover, or new team. Couldn't give a st about that. That's not what I'd want to see, or have wanted since GB2. I'd want a real nostalgia gift, where the story actually is about the old team, none of this patronizing and limited handover st, that's so formulaic. Ghosbusters wasn't that. I'd like something like Space Cowboys/Unforgiven where the old farts are in the story and the story is them, and how they deal or don't deal with it. Maybe have some sort of help for 15% of the film as a sop to any (in the old days sense) possible future. But the story would be horrible if it was a traditional transition story. I don't see Murray (without the threat of a multimillion dollar SOny lawsuit this time) doing something like that either.
That would be great wouldn’t it?

Unfortunately studios can’t make a movie without some thought of a cinematic universe these days.

JagLover

42,565 posts

236 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Halb said:
Personally, I wouldn't want any new cast members, or handover, or new team. Couldn't give a st about that. That's not what I'd want to see, or have wanted since GB2. I'd want a real nostalgia gift, where the story actually is about the old team, none of this patronizing and limited handover st, that's so formulaic. Ghosbusters wasn't that. I'd like something like Space Cowboys/Unforgiven where the old farts are in the story and the story is them, and how they deal or don't deal with it. Maybe have some sort of help for 15% of the film as a sop to any (in the old days sense) possible future. But the story would be horrible if it was a traditional transition story. I don't see Murray (without the threat of a multimillion dollar SOny lawsuit this time) doing something like that either.
Why not just rewatch the originals?, because the problem with the "nostalgia" gift as you put it is not all the team are there and they are all far too old for their old roles.

Star Wars:AFA was a well received "handover" movie, they don't all have to be rubbish. There is also no rule about how much, or little, the old cast need to be involved.

J4CKO

41,733 posts

201 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Halb said:
Personally, I wouldn't want any new cast members, or handover, or new team. Couldn't give a st about that. That's not what I'd want to see, or have wanted since GB2. I'd want a real nostalgia gift, where the story actually is about the old team, none of this patronizing and limited handover st, that's so formulaic. Ghosbusters wasn't that. I'd like something like Space Cowboys/Unforgiven where the old farts are in the story and the story is them, and how they deal or don't deal with it. Maybe have some sort of help for 15% of the film as a sop to any (in the old days sense) possible future. But the story would be horrible if it was a traditional transition story. I don't see Murray (without the threat of a multimillion dollar SOny lawsuit this time) doing something like that either.
I would to like to go back to the heady days of 1984, but if it were real, I am guessing after 36 years the original team would have changed, the business would have changed or folded, if it carried on it is inevitable they would have new recruits along the way, I don't think they should be super young either, the originals were all into their thirties.there is a rumour it will be teenagers but what gave the films their credence was the premise of academics being kicked out of academia, seemingly ill equipped to deal with the outside world, it made the tech plausible, dont think teenagers are right for it.

The key this is who and whether they manage to carry that fantastic vibe over from the first two films, I so wanted the 2016 film to do it but even with the best will in the world and goodwill, it didnt, the odd moment but ultimately disappointment.

I think hearing the original teams voices and them being plausible older versions of their 1984 characters will be enough if they get the rest right, such a shame Harold Ramis isnt around, that is a difficult set of shoes to fill, I did like Kate McKinnon the other film I have to say though dont think they should draft her in for this. who would make a good Egon-esque character ?

Jesse Eisenberg ?
Steve Coogan ?
Ryan Reynolds ?
Benedict Cumberbatch ?
Will Smith ?
Steve Carell ?

Or,

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ghos...







Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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JagLover said:
Halb said:
Personally, I wouldn't want any new cast members, or handover, or new team. Couldn't give a st about that. That's not what I'd want to see, or have wanted since GB2. I'd want a real nostalgia gift, where the story actually is about the old team, none of this patronizing and limited handover st, that's so formulaic. Ghosbusters wasn't that. I'd like something like Space Cowboys/Unforgiven where the old farts are in the story and the story is them, and how they deal or don't deal with it. Maybe have some sort of help for 15% of the film as a sop to any (in the old days sense) possible future. But the story would be horrible if it was a traditional transition story. I don't see Murray (without the threat of a multimillion dollar SOny lawsuit this time) doing something like that either.
Why not just rewatch the originals?, because the problem with the "nostalgia" gift as you put it is not all the team are there and they are all far too old for their old roles.

Star Wars:AFA was a well received "handover" movie, they don't all have to be rubbish. There is also no rule about how much, or little, the old cast need to be involved.
I do, and that is nostalgia. The nostalgia gift is seeing what has happened to them. THey are too old for the roles as they were in 1984, the roles in 2019 would obviously be different. Force Awakens was ste for me, it kidded me, but it has no rewatchability because ultimately, it's pretty empty and pisses on the old characters while having no new ones that are any good. I'm not on about rules, I@m on about what I'd pay for and would like to see, and also what would make a good film comparable to the original.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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J4CKO said:
I would to like to go back to the heady days of 1984, but if it were real, I am guessing after 36 years the original team would have changed, the business would have changed or folded,
If I wanted to go back to 1984 I'd watch the old one. There's no need to remake GB, I'd like something new, tHat's one of the points I meant. The new film shouldn't be a hackneyed, formulaic hand-over. That's why thinking in terms of a replacement 'egon' character seems like a typical hollywood thing. Not having a go at you, but it's just not what I'd want to see. the reboot/remake/whatevertheifkcitwas was so patheitc because it was a direct copy of the original, but poorly done like a pastiche. There was no creativity there. I think, not sure, that the only other film that deals with characters over such a period are the Rocky films.

Edited by Halb on Friday 25th January 14:33

Bullett

10,894 posts

185 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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I could see a plot where they have franchised out we see a building business, less hands on for the originals, they are the bosses now with people doing the work, Egon is doing research, Venkman's a recluse etc. Start with a montage building it and then a capture with some of the staff.
Then nothing, the ghosts are all gone.
The business collapses with no ghosts to bust.
Then of course it starts again, maybe Egon is a ghost now working on the inside.

What made GB great wasn't the ghosts it was the characters and their interactions but this will likely be a CGI fest.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Bullett said:
I could see a plot where they have franchised out we see a building business, less hands on for the originals, they are the bosses now with people doing the work, Egon is doing research, Venkman's a recluse etc. Start with a montage building it and then a capture with some of the staff.
Then nothing, the ghosts are all gone.
The business collapses with no ghosts to bust.
Then of course it starts again, maybe Egon is a ghost now working on the inside.

What made GB great wasn't the ghosts it was the characters and their interactions but this will likely be a CGI fest.
There's some pretty good ideas. and Egon on the other side, that's brilliant!

Bullett

10,894 posts

185 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Missed my calling!

Russian Troll Bot

25,013 posts

228 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Marlin45 said:
My daughter is seven and over Christmas watched 'GB3' followed by 1 & 2. After watching all three her comment was, 'Daddy the last two were great but the first one was rubbish. I don't want to see that again'.

From the mouths of 'babes' comes the truth?
I'm afraid you are going to have to sit your daughter down and explain to her that she is a bigoted misogynist. But better to ensure she checks her toxic masculinity privilege now than later on.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

248 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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rofl

JagLover

42,565 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Halb said:
I do, and that is nostalgia. The nostalgia gift is seeing what has happened to them. THey are too old for the roles as they were in 1984, the roles in 2019 would obviously be different. Force Awakens was ste for me, it kidded me, but it has no rewatchability because ultimately, it's pretty empty and pisses on the old characters while having no new ones that are any good. I'm not on about rules, I@m on about what I'd pay for and would like to see, and also what would make a good film comparable to the original.
Well this is a thread for the Ghostbusters, but I would say it is the TLJ that made the new characters introduced uninteresting, they did not need to be so, based on where we were in AFA.

I thought Finn's character was potentially interesting as a rebelling Storm Trooper and Rey was also intriguing. If Ep 8 had not been about gender politics, "subverting expectations", and a boring slow motion chase, it could have been about exploring the past of both characters. Say for example Finn remembers a secret base where he was trained and indoctrinated, while Rey is also trying to explore her own past. Anyhow they had had the retread of ANH, it was the time for something a bit more phycological and deeper, and they could have been developed further into good characters. Whatever the missteps in TLJ it doesn't change the set up in TFA.

Going back to Ghostbusters. A movie has to have a reason to exist both artistically and commercially, not just for "nostalgia". In reality the old crew would likely be down in a Florida retirement community by now. Hence why the need from a artistic perspective for new blood and commercially studios don't tend to make movies anymore but franchises.

Edited by JagLover on Saturday 26th January 06:13

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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JagLover said:
Well this is a thread for the Ghostbusters, but I would say it is the TLJ that made the new characters introduced uninteresting, they did not need to be so, based on where we were in AFA.
I thought Finn's character was potentially interesting as a rebelling Storm Trooper and Rey was also intriguing. If Ep 8 had not been about gender politics, "subverting expectations", and a boring slow motion chase, it could have been about exploring the past of both characters. Say for example Finn remembers a secret base where he was trained and indoctrinated, while Rey is also trying to explore her own past. Anyhow they had had the retread of ANH, it was the time for something a bit more phycological and deeper, and they could have been developed further into good characters. Whatever the missteps in TLJ it doesn't change the set up in TFA.
Going back to Ghostbusters. A movie has to have a reason to exist both artistically and commercially, not just for "nostalgia". In reality the old crew would likely be down in a Florida retirement community by now. Hence why the need from a artistic perspective for new blood and commercially studios don't tend to make movies anymore but franchises.
We'll just agree to disagree on Disney Star War. those strings once pulled unravel quicker than a Trump fib. biggrin
Art and commerce, these are the driving forces that get a film a film made, compromise (sometimes, of course some filmmaker don't have to do this, Lucas, Shamalayan et al). Backers want to make money, with GB remake, they failed, I would think that format would make them rethink how to handle a property that is reliant/heavily invested in nostalgia. THis is the difference between stuff like GB and Marvel, reviving such an old franchise (especially with the largest recent bomb remake) is all down to nostalgia, but they still wanna make money. As for 'new blood', there's no need for that at al...unless you wanna jump ahead of yourself and make a series of films. Old people can make money, old people can make amazing films. Sure there might be new characters, but not so obvious as to be the torch bearers for the 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 28th sequels.
I think Space Cowboys/Unforgiven was the best example of oldies being the protagonists, but there are others. I was sure that there was a film I liked where characters came back and were in a slightly different story, same genre, but cannot recall it. I've looked at different films which used same actors/characters etc.
It comes down to why do I wanna watch this? Is it because I want to watch a company of ghostcatchers called GB catch ghosts? Or is it that I wanna watch what Pete Venkman, Ray STanz, Ernie Hudson and the spectre of Egon (ace idea) do, wit their assorted sidekicks, Janice and the taxman, and Siggy (hubba hubba). I don't want a retread/remake with different people, I want the old ones doing something new. I didn't need gb heed the call to tell me the characters are more important here. Disney Star Wars was derivative and formulaic, but the weight of the franchise saved it (how long that lasts biggrin ) GB was never that franchise and releasing a poor film showed that. They're gonna have to knick it out of the park now, thanks to the 2016 GB, and a formulaic handover film isn't the sort of thing that'd draw me in.
The film mentioned above would. Especially if Egon is an antagonist. biggrin

Edited by Halb on Saturday 26th January 09:11

robemcdonald

8,862 posts

197 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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I think we could all brainstorm ideas that would make an interesting movie.
Oldies can be great protagonists, but that only really works well on cheaper to produce character driven movies like Gran Turismo.
Space cowboys has had a couple of mentions. It is a film I really enjoyed, but if you look at the numbers (and that’s what the studio will do) it isn’t the sort of percentage return they would need to justify the $250m the new film will most likely cost (by the time you figure in advertising) they will be targeting $1b or so. In order to do that they need to make the new film have the broadest possible appeal.
The upshot will most likely be a young teen or early twenties team (diverse gender and racial types, but must include Chinese which will ultimately be pointless as the film will be banned in China due to its paranormal theme) in the central roles.
The focus will be on finding the original now retired ghostbusters to use their know how to fight a new ghost threat.
The original casts role will be as mentors and support, anything where Bill Murray doesn’t have to stand up. Blah, blah, blah something goes wrong landing the new team in mortal peril. Our original heros have to don the proton packs one last time to rescue the new team and save the day.(maybe with help from a spectral Egon)

To be clear. This isn’t the film I want, but the one I think we will get.

J4CKO

41,733 posts

201 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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I think we are probably over analysing it, the problem is we cant watch it with no baggage, no in depth knowledge and no cynicism, we see the joins, we know every story around it and all the endless speculation.

I remember going to see the original aged 13 at the Tatton Cinema in Gatley (proper old local cinema) with my auntie, her strange bearded 2cv driving boyfriend and my little brother who was seven, I remember the queue round the block. But mainly I remember how I felt coming out of that cinema, feeling ten feet tall, utterly elated and absolutely buzzing about what I had just seen, wanting to see it again and just trying to make sense of it, the library ghost had scared the crap out of us, we had laughed at the dick joke and just utterly dumbfounded at the Stay Puft Marshmallow man. I saw Gremlins around the same time in the same cinema but that was a disappointment, but during the film it became clear that the young lady I had invited and had set my sights on for some time was having none of it biggrin

Its like when we were kids in winter, we didnt have a thread analysing every weather chart, hoping for snow, it just happened, went to bed and didnt give it a thought but opened the bedroom curtains and there was four inches of snow to play in, game on for days.

I think I am going to try and avoid speculation and rumour about the new film, I am just glad it is happening and the basic ingredients seem to be better than the 2016 film, our local cinema re-opened in December, not the same one but its not a multiplex, it has more of a sense of occasion and I am just going to wait, book tickets and go and see it and if I can capture one quarter of what I felt like in 84 then its job done.


Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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robemcdonald said:
Oldies can be great protagonists, but that only really works well on cheaper to produce character driven movies like Gran Turismo.
Space cowboys has had a couple of mentions. It is a film I really enjoyed, but if you look at the numbers (and that’s what the studio will do) it isn’t the sort of percentage return they would need to justify the $250m the new film will most likely cost (by the time you figure in advertising) they will be targeting $1b or so. In order to do that they need to make the new film have the broadest possible appeal.
The upshot will most likely be a young teen or early twenties team (diverse gender and racial types, but must include Chinese which will ultimately be pointless as the film will be banned in China due to its paranormal theme) in the central roles.
The focus will be on finding the original now retired ghostbusters to use their know how to fight a new ghost threat.
The original casts role will be as mentors and support, anything where Bill Murray doesn’t have to stand up. Blah, blah, blah something goes wrong landing the new team in mortal peril. Our original heros have to don the proton packs one last time to rescue the new team and save the day.(maybe with help from a spectral Egon)

To be clear. This isn’t the film I want, but the one I think we will get.
Space Cowboys and GranTurismo, those aren't invest characters. GB2016 shows that the idea alone flopped. Solo was in vested charcter, but nobody gave a st about the actor and it was mishandled.
Everythinhg else you mention. I think this now comes down to who is making it, Reitman and Ackroyd. Family, as opposed to Pascal/Feig who wanted to come in, rip up the old guard and then force their own interpretation. Dan Ackoyd is on record bashing Feig for over-spending, so I don't think we'll see a monster budget, I'd guess at around $100million. These people also know China won't be interested, so there won't be a sop to that market. It could just be a boring retread like a lot of cash-ins. Or it could be rather creative. Considering who is in currently in the driving seat, I'm hopeful for creative. Plus the bomb will help suits keep backing down, which should help creativity. I'm gonna be watching production news to see how it pans out.