Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
Discussion
walm said:
bexVN said:
^^What do you mean, just caught up, some won't have watched it until it airs on UK tv.
I managed not to read your comments as I haven't seen episode 4 yet myself, people need to start using the reveal spoiler key please.
It aired last Tuesday on Sky 9pm.I managed not to read your comments as I haven't seen episode 4 yet myself, people need to start using the reveal spoiler key please.
Ep5 airs tonight.
Been watching too many different series (just finished watching final series of POI, which was bloody brilliant!) and TWD and couple others!
Sorry to temporarily thread highjack but can also recommend Bosch (on Amazon, or at least was) Those who have read the books love Titus Welliver's portrayal of the title character. My hubby suggested it, I took to it straight away. And as a side for some of you Seven of Nine is in season 2 
I resisted posting that I had lost interest after the last episode, but this week's episode was absolutely fantastic. Loving the level complete/level up feeling of delores's story and just enough intrigue to avoid the dreaded 'Lost' feeling of the last episode or two.
Having tried to over think it, currently enjoying it washing over me. Had a real Boardwalk Empire feeling about it which seems a random thing to say, but makes sense to me. This is a good thing.
Having tried to over think it, currently enjoying it washing over me. Had a real Boardwalk Empire feeling about it which seems a random thing to say, but makes sense to me. This is a good thing.
Fords sentimentality with Delores, what was that all about. The not a "friend" line was ambiguous, but his tear suggests some thing more than a friend and not his usual anti-anthropic stance. Could she be a re-incarnation/replica of somebody important to Ford, Arnold (or both)?
When Delores challenged the leader, he laughed it off. However we did see a step change in her personality. Triggered by the (not white) hat he gave her perhaps?
MiB conversation with Ford, re-enforced my view that he is the board-member.
I don't buy the two time periods theory.
When Delores challenged the leader, he laughed it off. However we did see a step change in her personality. Triggered by the (not white) hat he gave her perhaps?
MiB conversation with Ford, re-enforced my view that he is the board-member.
I don't buy the two time periods theory.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Wednesday 2nd November 00:32
The episodes appear to have regained a sense of direction. Enjoyed this one.
I don't think there can be two time periods. This has been made implausible by previous episodes but in 5 the guy with the white hat was describing how when the park opened 35 years a go one of the partners died, that ties neatly in with Delores description of her last (that she is aware of) encounter with Arnold being 34ish years a go.
I think as long as they are trying to tell a story it will be fine.
I don't think there can be two time periods. This has been made implausible by previous episodes but in 5 the guy with the white hat was describing how when the park opened 35 years a go one of the partners died, that ties neatly in with Delores description of her last (that she is aware of) encounter with Arnold being 34ish years a go.
I think as long as they are trying to tell a story it will be fine.
The way I recall the discussion between the white hat / black hat was the park was in financial difficultly following death of one of the creators shortly after opening ,( but didn't say it was 35years ago , I interpreted as current ) and that his company was considering buying in ? That keeps me thinking this plot maybe 30 years or so sooner .....also the guy the MiB has been dragging around and bleed out to save teddy was in both story lines but as different characters, -again maybe supporting 2 different time periods . And finally some throw away comments about how new parts of the park looked
If above is right then it makes sense if that company did end up buying in then MIB is one of those 2 early characters and is now a board member ....
If it is a different time then Delores awakening started 30 odd years ago ....and in current time frame is not "awakening " any more . If fact the incident 30 years ago may have been delores original awakening .
On the other hand that's all probably complete nonsense !
If above is right then it makes sense if that company did end up buying in then MIB is one of those 2 early characters and is now a board member ....
If it is a different time then Delores awakening started 30 odd years ago ....and in current time frame is not "awakening " any more . If fact the incident 30 years ago may have been delores original awakening .
On the other hand that's all probably complete nonsense !
Edited by GT3cs on Wednesday 2nd November 06:13
Edited by GT3cs on Wednesday 2nd November 06:15
Flip Martian said:
Well certainly this really rather threw me...
Ford turning up at MIB's table to quiz him and Teddy suddenly regaining his energy
I might just watch it all again tomorrow, just to see Dolores sat naked for a few minutes
Ford turning up at MIB's table to quiz him and Teddy suddenly regaining his energy
I might just watch it all again tomorrow, just to see Dolores sat naked for a few minutes
How come Ford can be interviewing Dolores if she is out with the the knobhead and the good fella?
I don't think there are 2 timelines either.
Dolores' dad started going wrong in the pilot (in what must be the latest timeline as the man in black was in it) and that triggered Dolores starting to "think" about things - which she's been doing more and more since, while accompanying the guy in the white hat. Before her dad went weird, she was just in her loop story which she's since broken away from.
And I'm pretty sure the security guy in the control room has been seen to "ok" or comment on story incidents in what are being seen as the 2 "timelines".
But I can't offer an alternative - after last night I'm more intrigued than ever and have no clue how its going to end up. Although Dolores is gradually getting more sinister.
Dolores' dad started going wrong in the pilot (in what must be the latest timeline as the man in black was in it) and that triggered Dolores starting to "think" about things - which she's been doing more and more since, while accompanying the guy in the white hat. Before her dad went weird, she was just in her loop story which she's since broken away from.
And I'm pretty sure the security guy in the control room has been seen to "ok" or comment on story incidents in what are being seen as the 2 "timelines".
But I can't offer an alternative - after last night I'm more intrigued than ever and have no clue how its going to end up. Although Dolores is gradually getting more sinister.
GT3cs said:
The way I recall the discussion between the white hat / black hat was the park was in financial difficultly following death of one of the creators shortly after opening ,( but didn't say it was 35years ago , I interpreted as current ) and that his company was considering buying in ? That keeps me thinking this plot maybe 30 years or so sooner .....also the guy the MiB has been dragging around and bleed out to save teddy was in both story lines but as different characters, -again maybe supporting 2 different time periods . And finally some throw away comments about how new parts of the park looked
If above is right then it makes sense if that company did end up buying in then MIB is one of those 2 early characters and is now a board member ....
If it is a different time then Delores awakening started 30 odd years ago ....and in current time frame is not "awakening " any more . If fact the incident 30 years ago may have been delores original awakening .
On the other hand that's all probably complete nonsense !
I'm just about totally sold on the two time periods thing. I think the dialogue has been very clever to mask it - we would all swear William and Logan mentioned Arnold's death 30 years prior because they talk about it like any other character has, but I don't think they actually did. Easy one to find out anyway once we get the chance to watch again.If above is right then it makes sense if that company did end up buying in then MIB is one of those 2 early characters and is now a board member ....
If it is a different time then Delores awakening started 30 odd years ago ....and in current time frame is not "awakening " any more . If fact the incident 30 years ago may have been delores original awakening .
On the other hand that's all probably complete nonsense !
I think the real trickery is in the scenes where Delores is going through analysis/ interrogation. These are definitely occurring in a non-linear fashion. They are all over the place and I don't think we can infer much about who says what and when during those scenes.
To be honest it was this lack of synchronicity that put me off during the last two episodes but episode 5 was sheer brilliance.
If you look at it from the possibility that every single scene with Delores has potential to actually be a scene from her memories, rather than narrative, then it starts to make sense that she has memories from 30 years ago (ie, all the scenes with William) intermingling with events and analyses by Ford over the years and in the present day.
The MIB definitely knows his targets, and so far we know he has gone after Delores, Maeve, one of Clifton Collins Jnr's character, his daugher, and Kissie the Blackjack Dealer seemingly for no reason, other than in pursuit of the maze.
In William's plotline, we have Delores, the Mexican daughter by the well, and a different C.C Jnr character, plus coffins stamped with the maze on them all playing major plot points. I'm anticipating Maeve and Kissie also playing large parts in this "adventure" that they are on, with lots of allusions to the maze which, at this point, will go right over William's head.
If he is the young MIB, it would make sense that he is now going back and revisiting these hosts, as he is now realising they are part of a secret plot put there by Arnold that he missed first time around.
There seems to be a lot of mixing back and forth in time going on, and a lot of it makes more sense if you think of it that way rather than (for example) thinking there are multiple copies of some of the hosts.
One thing that makes more sense now is that random steeple that was poking out of the ground, I was wondering why they'd have built it that way. With the flashbacks and so on it now looks like it was a chunk of the park that got ploughed over by the big machine to get rid of it, either after the original 'problems' or maybe as part of what happened.
One thing that makes more sense now is that random steeple that was poking out of the ground, I was wondering why they'd have built it that way. With the flashbacks and so on it now looks like it was a chunk of the park that got ploughed over by the big machine to get rid of it, either after the original 'problems' or maybe as part of what happened.
MiB, he doesn't have the thing on his cheek that the White Hat Face does.
Did the White Hat Face and the Black Hat Heel watch the bank robbery? I cannot recall. Because Snake was part of that.
WHF and BHH discussed the death of one of the co-founders, but not the date.
We know more info about the robots, they were originally made of many parts (most likely metal, like the film), thanks to MiB, but then they changed at some point to the current model (looks like an organic compound), most likely down to cost according to MiB.
Did the White Hat Face and the Black Hat Heel watch the bank robbery? I cannot recall. Because Snake was part of that.
WHF and BHH discussed the death of one of the co-founders, but not the date.
We know more info about the robots, they were originally made of many parts (most likely metal, like the film), thanks to MiB, but then they changed at some point to the current model (looks like an organic compound), most likely down to cost according to MiB.
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