Theres a load of nekkidness on C4

[him_over_there]

CommanderJameson said:

Balmoral Green said:

Take something as simple as putting 'Chicken' into the newsgroup search field, you will have several hundred newsgroups about chickens, rearing them, cooking them, etc. But there will also be dozens of newsgroups about having sex with them too.

I am NOT into chickens, that is just an example.

I never thought you were.







Until you mentioned it.

Chickens.

Who'd 'av thought it..

[him_over_there]

branflakes said:

loltolhurst said:

branflakes said:

loltolhurst said:

branflakes said:

loltolhurst said:

branflakes said:

loltolhurst said:

Fittster said:

loltolhurst said:

google etc should be more accountable

To whom should it be accountable?

isp's and google etc should do something about it - bring on the censorship debate!

Idiot. Why is it all these parents are up in arms about how easy it is to search for adult on Google, yet none of them have figured out how to search for "parental controls"?

maybe cos theyre not as naive as you and know their kids could get round parental controls in seconds

They they haven't been implementing them properly.

maybe the kids know aboutproxy sites

You think the programmers of Net Nanny etc haven't?

you think they can keep up with the 1000's of new ones added every day?

They'll be far more successful than trying to introduce censorship at the ISP level which affect EVERYONE, not just children. Have a search for the Australian governments attempts at internet censorship which is currently going spectacularly badly.

I'd like to hear your proposal on how the ISPs could even begin to censor the web without knocking out access to vaste swathes of legitimate sites.

-

Stuart

[loltolhurst]

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

[eccles]

loltolhurst said:

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

Can a 15 year old have a phone contract now?

[JackDaniels]

loltolhurst said:

JackDaniels said:

So are you seriously saying that in one search in google with no fancy tricks you can access child porn? I find that hard to believe.
I was under the impression it was all hidden away, and you had to have some form of contact directly with someone in the know to get it. As explained in one of the links previously posted on here

yes i am

Well after a bit of searching, it does appear google have been sued over this in the past although I couldn't find the outcome or if it ever actually went to court or not, so yes it does seem you are correct and so I stand corrected, although I still think that section in the programme was sensationalist.

[loltolhurst]

eccles said:

loltolhurst said:

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

Can a 15 year old have a phone contract now?

think they can get pay as you go ones cant they? - even if not they seem to easily be able to get dongles /phones etc

[philthy]

loltolhurst said:

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

Errrrrrrr, take the dongles and internet mobile off him then?

It's called parental responsibility. It means that the parents have to take responsibility for their actions, or the actions of their child, if they don't want to allow them access to "unsavoury" material.

It's not hard really....

Would you allow your child out to go for a walk at 3 am in the morning with a bottle of vodka, and then be surprised something happened to them?

..or would it be someone else's fault?

[him_over_there]

philthy said:

loltolhurst said:

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

Errrrrrrr, take the dongles and internet mobile off him then?

It's called parental responsibility. It means that the parents have to take responsibility for their actions, or the actions of their child, if they don't want to allow them access to "unsavoury" material.

It's not hard really....

Would you allow your child out to go for a walk at 3 am in the morning with a bottle of vodka, and then be surprised something happened to them?

..or would it be someone else's fault?

People shouldn't try to restrict other peoples freedoms because of their own parental failings.

[JackDaniels]

Well using the usual logic mostly seen on the TV coming from the parents, where did they get the vodka from?

[loltolhurst]

philthy said:

loltolhurst said:

tonyvid said:

Coco H said:

I wouldn't buy my 5 year old a laptop

Quite. One woman was complaining her 15yr old lad surfed overnight - errr, unplug the hub then!

Errrrrrrr, take the dongles and internet mobile off him then?

It's called parental responsibility. It means that the parents have to take responsibility for their actions, or the actions of their child, if they don't want to allow them access to "unsavoury" material.

It's not hard really....

Would you allow your child out to go for a walk at 3 am in the morning with a bottle of vodka, and then be surprised something happened to them?

..or would it be someone else's fault?

and when they get to school and use/borrow there friends hardware? and when they buy another phone for £15? and when their friends give them a flash drive thats full of porn etc etc?

[JackDaniels]

Its no different to a few years ago though really is it? now its flash drives and mobiles etc in my day it was a tatty copy of some mag stolen from a dads room or found near some railway tracks etc etc. Granted it was "straight" porn then none of this animal stuff or whatever although there always was a rumour of a friend of a friend that had a tape of a film called "Animal farm" never did find out if it was real or not.

[loltolhurst]

JackDaniels said:

Its no different to a few years ago though really is it? now its flash drives and mobiles etc in my day it was a tatty copy of some mag stolen from a dads room or found near some railway tracks etc etc. Granted it was "straight" porn then none of this animal stuff or whatever although there always was a rumour of a friend of a friend that had a tape of a film called "Animal farm" never did find out if it was real or not.

the difference is a childs addiction to it as yes there were mags etc but now they have access to the equivalent of millions upon millions of mags 24/7 + its as hardcore as you can get and they think that is normal as shown on the tv porgram tonight

ps animal farm was real

[anonymous-user]

loltolhurst said:

and when they get to school and use/borrow there friends hardware? and when they buy another phone for £15? and when their friends give them a flash drive thats full of porn etc etc?

So what do you propose?

If there's one thing that I've learned in life, it's that you cannot hide things away from people who want to access them. It's the same reason that you still see young kids getting hammmered in parks on bottles of cheap cider, that anybody with a bit of cash and the right friend can buy a large amount of crack and heroin, or that certain "unsavoury" types can get hold of guns and knives for a spot of gang warfare.

If they want it, they WILL get it and trying to legistate to "protect" people from themselves will only impinge on ordinary people. (Well, maybe not for crack and guns, but definitely for porn )

[philthy]

loltolhurst said:

and when they get to school and use/borrow there friends hardware? and when they buy another phone for £15? and when their friends give them a flash drive thats full of porn etc etc?

If they are that keen on looking at child pornography, supplied by their classmates, I think the kid is already in need of serious counselling, but then kids don't look at CP do they?
I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

May I enquire as to where you teach ?

[loltolhurst]

Symbolica said:

loltolhurst said:

and when they get to school and use/borrow there friends hardware? and when they buy another phone for £15? and when their friends give them a flash drive thats full of porn etc etc?

So what do you propose?

If there's one thing that I've learned in life, it's that you cannot hide things away from people who want to access them. It's the same reason that you still see young kids getting hammmered in parks on bottles of cheap cider, that anybody with a bit of cash and the right friend can buy a large amount of crack and heroin, or that certain "unsavoury" types can get hold of guns and knives for a spot of gang warfare.

If they want it, they WILL get it and trying to legistate to "protect" people from themselves will only impinge on ordinary people. (Well, maybe not for crack and guns, but definitely for porn )

more education as theres no way of avoiding it as you say

[loltolhurst]

philthy said:

loltolhurst said:

and when they get to school and use/borrow there friends hardware? and when they buy another phone for £15? and when their friends give them a flash drive thats full of porn etc etc?

If they are that keen on looking at child pornography, supplied by their classmates, I think the kid is already in need of serious counselling, but then kids don't look at CP do they?
I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

May I enquire as to where you teach ?

maybe being a bit obtuse but am being realistic - not just talking cp but all porn but they will see LOADS of cp as they send pictures of each other naked to each other - thats technically cp...ask the 14 year old girl who was arrested for making cp last week as she put pics of herself naked on myspace

rather not say where

[philthy]

loltolhurst said:

maybe being a bit obtuse but am being realistic - not just talking cp but all porn but they will see LOADS of cp as they send pictures of each other naked to each other - thats technically cp...ask the 14 year old girl who was arrested for making cp last week as she put pics of herself naked on myspace

rather not say where

The irony is, that teenagers sending each other webcam pics of each other will probably not attract much attention, until it gets found on an adult male's computer, when it will put him on the sex offenders register.
I appreciate you would rather not say where, but you do teach?
The simple fact is, if kids are interested enough to go looking for porn, they will, if parents want to stop them, it is up to them, to do so. If that means removal of laptop, or locking in them in their bedroom, so be it.
I'd rather you didn't ban something that I and my daughter (15), and millions of others use sensibly.

[him_over_there]

philthy said:

loltolhurst said:

maybe being a bit obtuse but am being realistic - not just talking cp but all porn but they will see LOADS of cp as they send pictures of each other naked to each other - thats technically cp...ask the 14 year old girl who was arrested for making cp last week as she put pics of herself naked on myspace

rather not say where

The irony is, that teenagers sending each other webcam pics of each other will probably not attract much attention, until it gets found on an adult male's computer, when it will put him on the sex offenders register.
I appreciate you would rather not say where, but you do teach?
The simple fact is, if kids are interested enough to go looking for porn, they will, if parents want to stop them, it is up to them, to do so. If that means removal of laptop, or locking in them in their bedroom, so be it.
I'd rather you didn't ban something that I and my daughter (15), and millions of others use sensibly.

There was quite a funny article on Yahoo News this week about a 14 year old girl who is possibly facing charges of possessing child pornography and may have to be placed on the sex offenders list. All this for having nude images of herself.

She was supposedly sending them out facebook, If it's true, then she is obviously in need of some real help. However I did chuckle at being charged as a paedo for having pictures of yourself..

[philthy]

As I said, modern day bogeyman.
If this actually happened (not doubting you, just not read about it anywhere), imagine how many other people now have these images on their hard drives? There is no defence.
There is a world of difference between a 14 year old posting images of herself on the internet, and someone torturing a child and photographing it.

Except in UK law.

[loltolhurst]

philthy said:

As I said, modern day bogeyman.
If this actually happened (not doubting you, just not read about it anywhere), imagine how many other people now have these images on their hard drives? There is no defence.
There is a world of difference between a 14 year old posting images of herself on the internet, and someone torturing a child and photographing it.

Except in UK law.

completely agree and am sure many people have them on their hard drives unfortunately - just look at how many people are arrested for other things and images are discovered. a 18 year old with pics of his 17 year old girlfriend could be charged for example and labelled a paedo.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...