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glazbagun said:
I like him. He has really captured that smug "ah yes, but I have a relationship with the Gods" vibe that some religious people have. I can't quite see his game plan though.
The scary thing is...he might actually be speaking the truth...like that loony, Tom of Beckett!!!
Janluke said:
If I was being really picky I didnt like the two swords, twas a tad Hollywood. One sword and a shield would of been better IMO
great fight BUT I'd have thought that 2 longswords (maybe even b
dswords, they are fooking big for a 'standard' sword) is a big ask (weight/momentum etc). Surely a long and short or even 2 hander/bdsword would have been better?Really enjoyed the Tower of Joy scene, I personally wasn't expecting any big reveal.
Personally I'm starting to feel there's a couple too many story lines to keep up with at the minute so I'm finding it a little frustrating at only getting a few minutes hear and there.
I don't particulary care what's happening with Arya a whole lot
Sam, OK he's going to the citadel but I'm not that fussed about seeing him hoy his guts up on a boat keeping the romanced with the inbred going.
I really couldn't see the Umbers turning on the Starks, but also can't see them risking handing Rickon over to Lord Physco as any remaining Stark (particularly a male) is surely just a threat so he'd off them ASAP?
As said in a previous episode Ramsey just needs the 3 biggest houses backing not every house. All seems to have been a bit easy unless there is a twist-the Karstarks I get but the Starks have been Kings and Wardens in the north forever and have a great deal of loyalty so don't see other turning on them easily given the manner the Bolton's/Ramsey has gained power.
ETA
On the Mountain VS the Hound. Give what Ian McShane was saying when interviewed I wouldn't be surprised if the Hound was back. I know he held his own against his brother way back in season one in the tournament of the hand but I don't think the hound is a match for the mountain Brienne bested him (he had that bite but seemed recovered?) I think the mountain is next level. Some pieces of fan fiction are making there way into the show though so who knows?!
Personally I'm starting to feel there's a couple too many story lines to keep up with at the minute so I'm finding it a little frustrating at only getting a few minutes hear and there.
I don't particulary care what's happening with Arya a whole lot
Sam, OK he's going to the citadel but I'm not that fussed about seeing him hoy his guts up on a boat keeping the romanced with the inbred going.
I really couldn't see the Umbers turning on the Starks, but also can't see them risking handing Rickon over to Lord Physco as any remaining Stark (particularly a male) is surely just a threat so he'd off them ASAP?
As said in a previous episode Ramsey just needs the 3 biggest houses backing not every house. All seems to have been a bit easy unless there is a twist-the Karstarks I get but the Starks have been Kings and Wardens in the north forever and have a great deal of loyalty so don't see other turning on them easily given the manner the Bolton's/Ramsey has gained power.
ETA
On the Mountain VS the Hound. Give what Ian McShane was saying when interviewed I wouldn't be surprised if the Hound was back. I know he held his own against his brother way back in season one in the tournament of the hand but I don't think the hound is a match for the mountain Brienne bested him (he had that bite but seemed recovered?) I think the mountain is next level. Some pieces of fan fiction are making there way into the show though so who knows?!
Edited by a311 on Tuesday 10th May 22:22
I think the Mountain was overrated, he was like a mid-level game boss, he'd be good for destroying anything up to mid-level knight, but any top level fighter would have a better skillset to take him apart.
That was before, now he's without nerve endings, and temper maybe, I don't see how he can be beaten, you'd have to dismember him, and he's not likely to let you do that.
Something that crosses my kind from time to time when I watch the show, the armour. No-one wears full plate, the closest we got was Mountain when he faced the Viper. He looked like a tank. Martin loves his armour (not as much as food) and it's a big part of the fights, but we never get leg armour.
That was before, now he's without nerve endings, and temper maybe, I don't see how he can be beaten, you'd have to dismember him, and he's not likely to let you do that.
Something that crosses my kind from time to time when I watch the show, the armour. No-one wears full plate, the closest we got was Mountain when he faced the Viper. He looked like a tank. Martin loves his armour (not as much as food) and it's a big part of the fights, but we never get leg armour.
Halb said:
I think the Mountain was overrated
I think Bronn summed it up well when Tyrion wanted him to be in Champion. Freakishly big and strong and faster than you'd think for his size. You could dance around for a bit and try to tire him but one wrong move and you'd be toast. Agree The Hound isn't big or quick enough to beat a zombie mountain.I'm not sure having read the books who was considered the best fighter, probably Barristan in his prime or Arthur Dayne. They make it a bit complicated as Prince Rhaegar beat Barristan and Arthur Dayne and was beat by both in jousts and was killed by Robert in hand to hand combat.
From the TV show Oberyn was pretty awesome, but used his tactics to fight the mountain so wouldn't know what he'd have been like up against a 'normal' knight.
I love fan fiction!
a311 said:
I think Bronn summed it up well when Tyrion wanted him to be in Champion. Freakishly big and strong and faster than you'd think for his size. You could dance around for a bit and try to tire him but one wrong move and you'd be toast. Agree The Hound isn't big or quick enough to beat a zombie mountain.
I'm not sure having read the books who was considered the best fighter, probably Barristan in his prime or Arthur Dayne. They make it a bit complicated as Prince Rhaegar beat Barristan and Arthur Dayne and was beat by both in jousts and was killed by Robert in hand to hand combat.
From the TV show Oberyn was pretty awesome, but used his tactics to fight the mountain so wouldn't know what he'd have been like up against a 'normal' knight.
I love fan fiction!
Yeah, I love it too, there are 'tournaments' on reddit. I'm not sure having read the books who was considered the best fighter, probably Barristan in his prime or Arthur Dayne. They make it a bit complicated as Prince Rhaegar beat Barristan and Arthur Dayne and was beat by both in jousts and was killed by Robert in hand to hand combat.
From the TV show Oberyn was pretty awesome, but used his tactics to fight the mountain so wouldn't know what he'd have been like up against a 'normal' knight.
I love fan fiction!
Match-ups are made by fighters. It's like MMA, Just because fighter A can beat B, and fighter B can beat fighter C, doesn't mean that fighter A can beat fighter C. The Mountain is the biggest and strongest there is, so anybody who uses big and strong as their skillset will lose, you'd have to beat him on speed and other stuff, like Viper.
Ir it's like top trumps....wow, they should make GoT fighter top trumps, I'd buy it.
This is all getting a bit fanboy, but I don't think Brienne was a better duelist than Jamie or the Hound, just that when she fought both she was well rested, etc and they were both very not.
The mountain obviously knew how to use a sword with great reach and his sheer strength puts him a couple of weight divisions above anyone he fights, but in terms of martial skill he's good rather than great- someone whose physical gifts have meant he's never needed to train hard.
I think Jaqen H'gar, S1 Jamie or book Barristan would finish him with mild breaking of sweat, even Bronn thought it within his abilities! But it's really like a striker taking on a judoka at MMA. If he so much as gets a hold of you, it's over!
The mountain obviously knew how to use a sword with great reach and his sheer strength puts him a couple of weight divisions above anyone he fights, but in terms of martial skill he's good rather than great- someone whose physical gifts have meant he's never needed to train hard.
I think Jaqen H'gar, S1 Jamie or book Barristan would finish him with mild breaking of sweat, even Bronn thought it within his abilities! But it's really like a striker taking on a judoka at MMA. If he so much as gets a hold of you, it's over!
Since we can't spoil anything, here's what I think will happen. Assuming the faith don't pay for Arya Stark to face the Mountain (how cool would that be?!) they'll put up some patsy or maybe the sparrow himself.
The people will then revolt and kill the assembled nobility. Zombie clegane will smash through the proles to get to Cersei but in doing so will ignore Tommen who will die and lead Cersei to yet more bitter rage.
The people will then revolt and kill the assembled nobility. Zombie clegane will smash through the proles to get to Cersei but in doing so will ignore Tommen who will die and lead Cersei to yet more bitter rage.
Halb said:
Something that crosses my kind from time to time when I watch the show, the armour. No-one wears full plate, the closest we got was Mountain when he faced the Viper. He looked like a tank. Martin loves his armour (not as much as food) and it's a big part of the fights, but we never get leg armour.
There are few in either fantasy or historical fiction who understand the importance of armour.In actual fact Plate armour is virtually impervious to sword slashes. To beat a medieval knight you had to either find a weak spot in the armour or use something that caused blunt force trauma (mace and the like). All this slashing at one another with swords is the Hollywood idea of fighting at the time.
In the same way most on-screen battles are mosh pit style brawls, whereas most successful infantry armies from the ancient Greeks to the Swiss pikemen relied on close formation and discipline.
If you read the books GRRM is well aware of these details, based on the show D&D are not.
Tony Starks said:
Sort of book/continuity spoiler
I thought I read in one of the wiki pages that Rickon turned cannibal instead of making it to the umbers?
Rickon and Osha just disappear never to be seen again though in the books so fI thought I read in one of the wiki pages that Rickon turned cannibal instead of making it to the umbers?
k knows how fans make him into a cannibal.I think the Umbers will side with the Vale Army and get Boltons men out of the castle for a dust up. In the books, it was about to start kicking off at the feast which had the umbers in and the fake ayra. So fake Rickon instead of Ayra?
Ill be 'gutted' if another direwolf is dead though as want to see them more. Also did Ghost shy away from the resurrected Jon?
ZesPak said:
As for the hound,
In the books there are strong hints that he has been recovering as a monk with the faith. This theory is called "cleganebowl".
The Elder Brother tells Brienne... In the books there are strong hints that he has been recovering as a monk with the faith. This theory is called "cleganebowl".
"I buried him myself. I can tell you where his grave lies, if you wish. I covered him with stones to keep the carrion eaters from digging up his flesh, and set his helm atop the cairn to mark his final resting place."
IF he is the gravedigger, then he's now at peace, believes his brother is dead and has a messed up leg - I'm not sure how useful he'd be in a fight against an undead killing machine.
Besides, he's not a Knight.
ETA - I just do not see Meribald helping the High Sparrow by bringing the Hound to face Gregor in the trial by combat.
Meribald is one of the good guys, and I cannot WAIT to see the Broken Man speech
Edited by ali_kat on Wednesday 11th May 09:38
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