This is why we must never bring back the death sentence...
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I totally disagree. The odd innocent life is worth the sacrifice in comparison to the potential thousands of scumbags that could be removed. However under my system this man wouldn't have been executed because I would impose the death penalty only in case where it can be proven without doubt that the person had done it and only in certain crimes, even certain degrees of those crimes.
One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
thehawk said:
I totally disagree. The odd innocent life is worth the sacrifice in comparison to the potential thousands of scumbags that could be removed. However under my system this man wouldn't have been executed because I would impose the death penalty only in case where it can be proven without doubt that the person had done it and only in certain crimes, even certain degrees of those crimes.
One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
I agree with you, it would be a lot easier to make sure the innocent people are not wrongly convicted with DNA analysis etc, the chances of getting it wrong are very slim, but still the death penalty should only be applied to the absolute worst cases e.g. serial killerOne thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
thehawk said:
I totally disagree. The odd innocent life is worth the sacrifice in comparison to the potential thousands of scumbags that could be removed.
Bet you'd disagree if that "odd innocent life" was yours/your parents/kids/best mate etc...thehawk said:
However under my system this man wouldn't have been executed because I would impose the death penalty only in case where it can be proven without doubt that the person had done it
But he had been convicted *without doubt*. Anyway, how do you distinguish between *without doubt* and those with *a bit of doubt* ??? Don't answer this as it's a rhetorical question 
I favour the current system, I think long term jail sentence is a worse proposition than death (see how many life prisoners attempt suicide! they obviously prefer that option) but also protects the innocent as it can be *undone* if found innocent.
OK a huge miscarage of justice.....However IMHO this guy always protested his inocence so he should not have been executed even if that was the law???? However if you have someone who is unequivably (sp) guilty ie Sutcliffe or Hindley, or freely admits to a heinious crime that is totally beyond doubt...... then death!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thehawk said:
I totally disagree. The odd innocent life is worth the sacrifice in comparison to the potential thousands of scumbags that could be removed. However under my system this man wouldn't have been executed because I would impose the death penalty only in case where it can be proven without doubt that the person had done it and only in certain crimes, even certain degrees of those crimes.
One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
The whole idea of finding people guilty is that it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that they did it. If there's doubt why are they going to prison?One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
What's the point of the death penalty anyway? It doesn't seem to work as a deterrent any better than prison. Plus, in my opinion, as soon as an innocent person is killed you're no better than the criminals.
EDLT said:
carter711 said:
He is due a fair sized compo I'd say.
Wasn't there a cap put on prisoner compo a while back?Death sentence in the US is only done for the most extreme crimes where there is no doubt though. And then they have automatic right of appeal and go through it over and over again.
Negative Creep said:
You're right, we should bring back the death penalty. After all, just look at places like the USA and China - they're pretty much crime free.
Oh, hang on a sec..........
Nothing to do with crime prevention. IMO these people have lost the right to live in a society and we don't need them anymore. Oh, hang on a sec..........
v9 ogre said:
However if you have someone who is unequivably (sp) guilty
But they all ARE. Else they'd not be in jail. Proven without doubt.I know what you are trying to say, and I agree *in principle* (although I still think there are worse punishments than death) but it is pretty much impossible to implement and impractical as you have to ascertain a difference between *guilty* and *definitely guilty*. We only have *definitely guilty* as our current system.
Hindley - now she was definitely a horrid woman, however I don't understand all the media furore over her given that Brady was far more the psycopath and actually committed the atrocities.
hairykrishna said:
thehawk said:
I totally disagree. The odd innocent life is worth the sacrifice in comparison to the potential thousands of scumbags that could be removed. However under my system this man wouldn't have been executed because I would impose the death penalty only in case where it can be proven without doubt that the person had done it and only in certain crimes, even certain degrees of those crimes.
One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
The whole idea of finding people guilty is that it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that they did it. If there's doubt why are they going to prison?One thing I forgot to say on the other thread about Britains decline is that I also think a large part of that is due to us becoming weak as a society, this is an example. It will probably be our downfall in the end.
What's the point of the death penalty anyway? It doesn't seem to work as a deterrent any better than prison. Plus, in my opinion, as soon as an innocent person is killed you're no better than the criminals.
But I do still think the death penalty makes some sort of sense, not morally no, but financially it'd save us a fortune, and by saving money on prisons we can redistribute the funds to help contributing members of society (although it'd surely go on benefits) but yeah, the problem is definitely doubt, even DNA evidence could be planted by the right person, or a corrupt police force.
We're just lucky our police force isn't corrupt - aren't we?
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