Half a million public sector job cuts tomorrow.....
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According to that document on Alexanders lap....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/19/spe...
So much pain to come for so many people. the majority of which will probably be the actual workers, not the over payed management.
And most economists forecast at least the same number will be shed by the Private sector that supplies services to the governemnt.
Are we going to be thrown back into the 1970's this week?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/19/spe...
So much pain to come for so many people. the majority of which will probably be the actual workers, not the over payed management.
And most economists forecast at least the same number will be shed by the Private sector that supplies services to the governemnt.
Are we going to be thrown back into the 1970's this week?
Corsair7 said:
the majority of which will probably be the actual workers, not the over payed management.
I agree, i think the aim was a shake up to cut out the wastefulness, and pointless jobs, but it is going to end up with the departments and consultants staying firm, and the workers slashed.Corsair7 said:
According to that document on Alexanders lap....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/19/spe...
So much pain to come for so many people. the majority of which will probably be the actual workers, not the over payed management.
And most economists forecast at least the same number will be shed by the Private sector that supplies services to the governemnt.
Are we going to be thrown back into the 1970's this week?
Comrade, apart from better educating our citizens (OP take note), what would you suggest as an alternative?http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/19/spe...
So much pain to come for so many people. the majority of which will probably be the actual workers, not the over payed management.
And most economists forecast at least the same number will be shed by the Private sector that supplies services to the governemnt.
Are we going to be thrown back into the 1970's this week?
V88Dicky said:
I think it is quite sad, however it needs to be taken into context.
Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
Lesbian and Trans-gender Equality Awareness Supervisor anyone?
Sad reality is these Daily Mail headline stealing silly jobs number probably less than 2% of what they will cut.Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
Lesbian and Trans-gender Equality Awareness Supervisor anyone?
Corsair7 said:
V88Dicky said:
I think it is quite sad, however it needs to be taken into context.
Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
Lesbian and Trans-gender Equality Awareness Supervisor anyone?
Sad reality is these Daily Mail headline stealing silly jobs number probably less than 2% of what they will cut.Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
Lesbian and Trans-gender Equality Awareness Supervisor anyone?
There are a LOT of charities and public sector bodies that are dreading what tomorrow will bring. Don't get me wrong, the cull is desperately needed, but I wouldn't wish the fall-out on anyone (well, thats not strictly true...
)Loads of 'surplus' staff are just moving from another dept into the wife's dept and they are struggling to find work, 5 years ago they shuffled them from her dept to where i work now however unfit or unsuitable they were (and they really were lazy assed penpushing officious types ) they just kept taking the money and pension until the could shuffle on again lazy barstewards
) they just kept taking the money and pension until the could shuffle on again lazy barstewards A very close friend of mine runs a department of a major London borough. SHe's been told that she needs to cut her budget by 25%. That's £60m p.a.
She will have to get rid of at least one quarter of her staff. That's over 400 people, in the next two years. SHe tells me that it is the good staff who will jump ship before they are pushed, leaving her with the deadwood.
She's dreading having to get her department into shape after the cull.
Furthermore, in an ironic twist. At the last election, it was the Labour Party who took over control of the council after 8 years of Tory rule. So, it's the Labour leadership that has to instigate the cuts and redundancies recommended by my friend and her colleagues.
So, after years of criticising the tories, it is these labour councillors who will get the blame for the cuts locally. And, thev're become paralysed by the prospect of making the necessary choices as whatever they do, they'll be affecting their voter base.
The letters go out in the week before Christmas.
Fascinating stuff.
She will have to get rid of at least one quarter of her staff. That's over 400 people, in the next two years. SHe tells me that it is the good staff who will jump ship before they are pushed, leaving her with the deadwood.
She's dreading having to get her department into shape after the cull.
Furthermore, in an ironic twist. At the last election, it was the Labour Party who took over control of the council after 8 years of Tory rule. So, it's the Labour leadership that has to instigate the cuts and redundancies recommended by my friend and her colleagues.
So, after years of criticising the tories, it is these labour councillors who will get the blame for the cuts locally. And, thev're become paralysed by the prospect of making the necessary choices as whatever they do, they'll be affecting their voter base.
The letters go out in the week before Christmas.
Fascinating stuff.
Unfortunate but inevitable. Much like the coal mines, steel works and shipyards in times gone by - except this lot was self-inflicted by the New Labour clowns.
We can't have a country where every private sector worker has to "carry" someone in the public sector, either at the town hall, on benefits or drawing pension. Just can't be done.
We can't have a country where every private sector worker has to "carry" someone in the public sector, either at the town hall, on benefits or drawing pension. Just can't be done.
te, £2.9b is a hell of a lot of pay packets.Well, looking at the document it can't be that bad, we must have plenty of our taxes money to burn, given that the 2nd paragraph quotes that the Govt will give away £2.9 Billion as an International Climate Finance contribution - as a way of 'demonstrating commitment' despite also quoting how little the UK contributes to global emissions.
How many of us voted for this use of our money, for it to be 'distributed' abroad on top of all the overseas aid budget etc.? Given how many now have doubts about the scale or veracity of man made global warming this seems precipitous and not terribly democratic to me.
Wonder how many front line jobs for police, nurses, doctors et al £2.9 Billion would preserve/create?
How many of us voted for this use of our money, for it to be 'distributed' abroad on top of all the overseas aid budget etc.? Given how many now have doubts about the scale or veracity of man made global warming this seems precipitous and not terribly democratic to me.
Wonder how many front line jobs for police, nurses, doctors et al £2.9 Billion would preserve/create?
One way they could have saved money is by not trying to spend the budget if they had any so in a way it serves them right. If you have a budget of £10k for IT kit and you only spend £9k, that doesn't mean you can buy £1k's worth of screenwipes or porn DVDs (ok, exaggeration) to make sure you get the same budget. Where else does this happen in the real world?
V88Dicky said:
I think it is quite sad, however it needs to be taken into context.
Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
So not a return to the 70s OP, more like a return to, what, 2003... We seemed to be doing just fine then.Labour 'created' over 900,000 jobs in the public sector in their time in power.
The vast majority not required in the first place.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Reports say that Mrs Thatcher is back in hospital and not responding to treatment. It would make it very good day to bury bad news if something were to happen to her today....
If you are old enough to remember what Britain was like before Maggie came to power, you'll realise we have a lot to thank her for. The UK was an old fashioned, scruffy country, dominated and run by the Unions. She turned the country around and made Britain what it is today. There are things Maggie did that I personally didn't agree with 100%, but at least she was a leader and the only political leader of recent times that had balls.(cue a tirade of witty comments that I can't think of at this time
) JensenA said:
If you are old enough to remember what Britain was like before Maggie came to power, you'll realise we have a lot to thank her for.
Yeah must agree there. None of this namby pamby X factor for saturday family TV, you'd get a good proper riot to watch.Wonder how long it will take for this lot to give us proper prime time TV viewing.
ShadownINja said:
If you have a budget of £10k for IT kit and you only spend £9k, that doesn't mean you can buy £1k's worth of screenwipes or porn DVDs (ok, exaggeration) to make sure you get the same budget. Where else does this happen in the real world?
If you did happen to spend a lot on pron DVDs though, the screen wipes would likely come in handy.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff