Symbolic Burning

[Victor McDade]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...


Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).

I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?

[M-J-B]

Victor McDade said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...


Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).

I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?

I think given the poppy episode (which personally I found very offensive), even if the fanatics burnt a Bible that day, the Police would simply say they were excited, didn't mean any harm and weren't inciting religious hatred.

Again, one rule for one etc etc and frankly I'm getting bored of the one sided policing that seems to surround these events.

[AshVX220]

M-J-B said:

Victor McDade said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...


Interesting to see how the police deal with the burning of one symbol (a koran) with the burning of another (a poppy).

I think both acts are unnecessary and deliberately provocative however to start arresting folks over such things is very knee jerk and ott. Would the police have arrested someone had they burnt the bible of scientology online (does that even exist)?

I think given the poppy episode (which personally I found very offensive), even if the fanatics burnt a Bible that day, the Police would simply say they were excited, didn't mean any harm and weren't inciting religious hatred.

Again, one rule for one etc etc and frankly I'm getting bored of the one sided policing that seems to surround these events.

Unfortunately that stems from the one-sided policy making this country has endured for the last few years. IMH[umble]O of course. We can't possibly risk offending anyone you see.

[anonymous-user]

That's not very nice

[dreamz]

I Love Lamp said:

I don't think you can compare the two acts - One was quite clearly anti race/religion, the other was anti war...

Had the poppy protesters been burning bibles, I would like to think it would have been treated equally.

Nonetheless, the poppy burning certainly gained large media attention and I'm sure that once again, the mental minority have successfully managed to portray the image as 'typical behaviour' of the majority of Muslims.

i agree. one is a symbol the other is a religious text - regardless of wether you believe in religion there's a difference. no one was going against christianity during the poppy burning. they were against the armed forces. the koran burning is anti-islam.

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

[M-J-B]

Symbolica said:

That's not very nice

Poppy, Koran or both?

[M-J-B]

dreamz said:

I Love Lamp said:

I don't think you can compare the two acts - One was quite clearly anti race/religion, the other was anti war...

Had the poppy protesters been burning bibles, I would like to think it would have been treated equally.

Nonetheless, the poppy burning certainly gained large media attention and I'm sure that once again, the mental minority have successfully managed to portray the image as 'typical behaviour' of the majority of Muslims.

i agree. one is a symbol the other is a religious text - regardless of wether you believe in religion there's a difference. no one was going against christianity during the poppy burning. they were against the armed forces. the koran burning is anti-islam.

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

I'm just not sure there wasn't a deeper underlying message in the significance of the burning of a poppy. We can all read into the act what we wish to I suppose.

I'm also not sure what action would have been taken should the bible have been burnt.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

M-J-B said:

Symbolica said:

That's not very nice

Poppy, Koran or both?

Him

[Pints]

dreamz said:

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

You can believe what you like. I don't think that would be the case though.

[Gaspode]

dreamz said:

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

On what grounds? Why should burning any book be considered a criminal act (always assuming it belongs to you, of course, or it's the last copy)?

A book is just a printed version of a bunch of ideas/notions/theories. Burning the book doesn't hurt the validity of otherwise of the thoughts.

[Jasandjules]

I Love Lamp said:

I don't think you can compare the two acts - One was quite clearly anti race/religion, the other was anti war...

Well, one only offends people who have an imaginary friend and therefore they can go f**k themselves. And as for Race, are you suggesting there are no white Muslims? That seems awfully racist.............

The other offends the honour of those who fought and died to protect our freedoms and therefore is fundamentally important.

[Mojocvh]

Victor McDade said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country...

"Bob Badham, Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council cabinet member for education"

8 letter job title, wouldn't tt have been more succinct?

[JensenA]

I Love Lamp said:

I don't think you can compare the two acts - One was quite clearly anti race/religion, the other was anti war...

Had the poppy protesters been burning bibles, I would like to think it would have been treated equally.

Nonetheless, the poppy burning certainly gained large media attention and I'm sure that once again, the mental minority have successfully managed to portray the image as 'typical behaviour' of the majority of Muslims.

Edited by I Love Lamp on Thursday 25th November 12:09

Of course you can compare them.

Poppy Burning - Grown, adult men, deliberately being offensive, in public, knowing exactly what they were doing - No action taken, carry on chaps.
15 year old schoolgirl, burns a copy of the Koran and posts a video of the event on Facebook - She gets arrested.

You might like to [i]think[/] that burning a bible would have been treated equally, but you know it wouldn't.

[s1962a]

Why do we give the poppy burning chavs any airtime? Ignore them and they'll go away. They don't represent Islam - only themselves.

[digger_R]

giving this kind of incident your attention is the same as listening to informed wisdom from the likes of this chap

[TheEnd]

Pints said:

dreamz said:

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

You can believe what you like. I don't think that would be the case though.

Christians wouldn't care really. They'd think it's a bit odd but they wouldn't kick up a huge fuss.
If devout, I'd assume they'd laugh to themselves and hope to catch the burner on Judgement day whilst he's being struck by lightning.

[M-J-B]

Jasandjules said:

The other offends the honour of those who fought and died to protect our freedoms and therefore is fundamentally important.

My thoughts exactly.

[M-J-B]

s1962a said:

Why do we give the poppy burning chavs any airtime? Ignore them and they'll go away. They don't represent Islam - only themselves.

Therefore, ignore the girl on youtube and she'll go away, don't arrest her.

[Asterix]

I think if they burnt a Bible then the UK's web would collapse due to the overload of strongly worded emails.

Would they get arrested? Probably not.

[dreamz]

Gaspode said:

dreamz said:

i'd too like to believe that if a bible was indeed burned in the uk there would be swift and severe recriminations

On what grounds? Why should burning any book be considered a criminal act (always assuming it belongs to you, of course, or it's the last copy)?

A book is just a printed version of a bunch of ideas/notions/theories. Burning the book doesn't hurt the validity of otherwise of the thoughts

Because like it or not - religion matters to people. it might cause nasty side effects but it matters to them. love it or hate it - this country is a country with a belief in religion. its what the laws are based on, derived from.

alot of PH'rs may not be religious and just label them imaginary friends but some are more than real to others. label them stupid i'm sure they'd happily label the athiests the same.