Anyone care to bet where the criminals will be from ?
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TKF said:
Marf said:
TKF said:
A question. Would it be right for the people of Thailand to consider white Westerners to be paedophiles?
A question. Who has said that all Pakistani muslims are paedophiles?
Would it be right for the people of Thailand to point at the paedophile sex tourists and automatically link their race/religion and tar communities with the same brush?
"White Christians see themselves as different and they belive people outside their group are worthless. Add the misogyny inherant with the religion and this is what happens"
Though I am sure that there exist both white christians and brown muslims, and yes even white muslims and brown christians who do feel that people outside their group are worthless.
TKF said:
I'll rephrase the question.
Would it be right for the people of Thailand to point at the paedophile sex tourists and automatically link their race/religion and tar communities with the same brush?
"White Christians see themselves as different and they belive people outside their group are worthless. Add the misogyny inherant with the religion and this is what happens"
TKF it is the sort of attitude and aggression you display in your posts that are the very reasons why people have been worried about voicing their concerns about a very few bad apples from a very large barrel. Would it be right for the people of Thailand to point at the paedophile sex tourists and automatically link their race/religion and tar communities with the same brush?
"White Christians see themselves as different and they belive people outside their group are worthless. Add the misogyny inherant with the religion and this is what happens"
Who would believe that people from a culture that is perceived to be ultra protective of children and venerable family members could act in such a vile way? How do such people get away with this when everyone seems to know everyoneelse's business? Until very recently if anyone voiced their concerns about there being gangs of men like these suspects the first thing that will be fired at them is that they are only doing so because they are racist or intolerant of their religion.
In essence it is people like you who in displaying the sort of attitudes that your posts put across that have allowed men like the criminals in this case to get away with what they have done for so long.
Your ‘cause’ serves no purpose other than to give you a false sense of self aggrandisement and protects the scum that hide themselves behind a label in order to go about their sick perversion safe in the knowledge that anyone who questions their actions will immediately be branded a bigot and a racist and hopeful will slink back into the shadows so that they and their mates can try to make another drugged up 14 year old air tight on Saturday night.
anonymous said:
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OK, I'll bite."We don't at all have a problem in the UK with the attitudes of men from certain asian backgrounds towards teenage white girls do we? They should be castrated by dogs. "
"god knows how many sprogs they have managed to kick out while over here and extended family they have brought over that we will now be fully supporting while they are in gaol"
"Now now chaps we cannot possibly cast aspersions AGAIN can we.... I mean we are of course all wrong and there is no issue at all related to a specific group who may or may not share the same belief in the same sky pixie"
"Let's not beat about the bush they are always Muslims of Pakistan decent"
"They see themselves as different and they belive[sic] people outside their group are worthless. Add the misogyny inherant[sic] with the religion and this is what happens"
"Bottom line is this: many muslim men see the females of other religions as fair game, there purely to be used and abused for their own pleasure. Non-muslims are worthless in their eyes, even though they may not be religious themselves, they still have this instilled in them from a young age"
"We should close the doors to immigration from now and use the breathing space to weed out all the aforementioned types, fire them all back to whence they came and start with a clean slate.(using very strict controls )"
"Islam sees non-Muslims as fit only for servitude or death and women as objects that only have worth if possessed by a good Muslim man. Islam is essentially a religion of enforced conversion and conquest and the latter applies to women as much as it does to the kafir"
"It is a problem, it is endemic and it is born out of the beliefs these folks hold which are at their core the same as those taught to the other x billion of the same denomination"
As soon as someone steps up and points these comments out for what they are they are accused of "diversion".
BliarOut said:
TKF said:
A question. Would it be right for the people of Thailand to consider white Westerners to be paedophiles?
Do you deplore the actions of the perpetrators in this case, regardless of their skin colour or background?Jesus that goes without saying surely?
TKF said:
BliarOut said:
TKF said:
A question. Would it be right for the people of Thailand to consider white Westerners to be paedophiles?
Do you deplore the actions of the perpetrators in this case, regardless of their skin colour or background?Jesus that goes without saying surely?
TKF said:
"Islam sees non-Muslims as fit only for servitude or death and women as objects that only have worth if possessed by a good Muslim man. Islam is essentially a religion of enforced conversion and conquest and the latter applies to women as much as it does to the kafir"
As soon as someone steps up and points these comments out for what they are they are accused of "diversion".
What is it specifically that needs pointing out about my comment? Because so far you haven't made one single reasoned argument, just talked about unrelated cases, insulted people and posted a load of requotes.As soon as someone steps up and points these comments out for what they are they are accused of "diversion".
TKF said:
Rude-boy said:
In essence it is people like you who in displaying the sort of attitudes that your posts put across that have allowed men like the criminals in this case to get away with what they have done for so long.
Hilarious. So I'm helping peedlers now?carmonk said:
You're doing your bit. When you cry racist and try to suppress others' valid discussion on the subject then yes, you are helping them out.
I agree. The title could just as easily been applied to a story on two deaths in a knife fight in South Croydon. And we'd just as surely get cries of "wacist" when we make the equivalent prediction. Political correctness is just another name for 'thought crime'.carmonk said:
You're doing your bit. When you cry racist and try to suppress others' valid discussion on the subject then yes, you are helping them out. The reason why the problem is so large is that it's been swept under the carpet for years by people with the same attitudes as you.
Your interpretation of the Islamic faith reads like an EDL press release.And I'm everso sorry for helping these peedos do their peedling by trying not to tar every single Muslim with the same brush. I'll do some lines tonight as punishment.
anonymous said:
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Are they? There have been how many accused of involvement so far? 100 in total, maybe 200? Even if that's the tip of the iceberg it's far from a large percentage. So who can blame the Pakistani community for not wanting to be lumped in with these animals?
You and others have said you don't think all paedos are Pakistani, or that all Pakistanis are paedos, but you do seem to see their wider community as complicit. In reality though most people don't have the first clue what their neighbours get up to, and even if they suspected something was going on they'd probably assume it was a knocking shop rather than a paedophile ring.
What's more we don't have any idea where the police have got their intelligence from to get these arrests, but let's not let that get in the way of a good rant.
No doubt some people will see this as the weasel words of an apologist, so please leave the insults because it doesn't really help the debate.
Bill said:
anonymous said:
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Are they? There have been how many accused of involvement so far? 100 in total, maybe 200? Even if that's the tip of the iceberg it's far from a large percentage. So who can blame the Pakistani community for not wanting to be lumped in with these animals?
You and others have said you don't think all paedos are Pakistani, or that all Pakistanis are paedos, but you do seem to see their wider community as complicit. In reality though most people don't have the first clue what their neighbours get up to, and even if they suspected something was going on they'd probably assume it was a knocking shop rather than a paedophile ring.
What's more we don't have any idea where the police have got their intelligence from to get these arrests, but let's not let that get in the way of a good rant.
No doubt some people will see this as the weasel words of an apologist, so please leave the insults because it doesn't really help the debate.
Bill said:
carmonk said:
Whereas doing a bit of research into the subject would.
Sorry? Were you replying to someone else?Bill said:
Go on then, gimme some links, my google-Fu is weak, but I have discovered there's a pedophile called Nick Griffin.
Which links specifically? The documentary I think was either Dispatches or Panorama, can't recall which (both did documentaries but I don't remember which was which). Griffin was arrested in 2004 for linking Islam with Pakistani grooming gangs. He wasn't convicted. Around this time there was a documentary called The Edge of the City that dealt, in part, with the impact of these gangs (it was actually about Bradford Social Services). It was banned on request from the police who decided it might cause racial tensions, even thought the documentary itself didn't blame race, rather a misogynistic culture. I don't know if it was ever shown on TV. You might find this informative http://youtu.be/V8Shznb4_eQ
carmonk said:
Six years or so back Nick Griffin was arrested for even talking about the problem (no, I don't support Nick Griffin before the usual suspects pipe up). When there's activity on this sort of scale, and in relatively close-knit communities, there's no question that people who were not involved knew what was going on yet for whatever reason never made formal reports.
Wow, that's pretty awful.A dr bernados spokeman said this IS happening in every town ran bay taxi firms and fast food joints that was said a few years ago IIRC didnt make many headlines and when it did it dissapeard with little comment by the media.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12140641
'Fewer morals'
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim youth organisation, became the first community leader to speak out in a BBC interview two years ago.
He is not afraid of raising the issue.
"Although there have been some cases of white men being involved in this sexual exploitation of young girls, most of the perpetrators are Muslim.
"There are some Muslims who think that as long as these sex gangs aren't targeting their own sisters and daughters the issue doesn't affect them
"These people think that white girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than our girls."
And
Another commentator, Manzoor Moghul, chairman of the Muslim Forum, agrees.
"Offenders are under the misapprehension white girls are easy prey. The way they dress, their culture, makes them easy pickings," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12140641
'Fewer morals'
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim youth organisation, became the first community leader to speak out in a BBC interview two years ago.
He is not afraid of raising the issue.
"Although there have been some cases of white men being involved in this sexual exploitation of young girls, most of the perpetrators are Muslim.
"There are some Muslims who think that as long as these sex gangs aren't targeting their own sisters and daughters the issue doesn't affect them
"These people think that white girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than our girls."
And
Another commentator, Manzoor Moghul, chairman of the Muslim Forum, agrees.
"Offenders are under the misapprehension white girls are easy prey. The way they dress, their culture, makes them easy pickings," he said.
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