Georgie Porgie, Puddin' and Pie
Discussion
crankedup said:
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
You're not making any sense. Your "good friend" already has to charge 20% on his hot Pukka pies. 20% has been added on to cheap hot food at takeaways for ages. It is big chain shops like Greggs who have used a loophole to avoid charging it and it has helped them undercut your friend.A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
Trommel said:
crankedup said:
But he is also carrying out many other tax reviews, or have you not noticed?
As he needs to, or had you not noticed?DJRC said:
crankedup said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
This is about competition
Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.Fish and chip shops (you know, the small independant ones, where the owner works his arse off), have to charge VAT on pies, pasties, and hot chicken.
The really big retailers, such as Tesco, Greggs and various other faceless corporate non entities don't.
how is this fair?
trust me the big boys really don't need this arbitary advantage- just create a level playing field.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
You have a friend with a small indie fish n chip shop. Currently he has to trade on an unfair and not level playing field weighted against him. The Chancellor has suggest implemented measures to level that playing field. In favour of the small indie guys. Your friend.
Just so we are clear on this...the implementation of this law will be to the advantage of the small guy against the bigger corporate guys.
And you are against this?
With friends like you...
gtdc said:
crankedup said:
Give me a chance I have only just finished my supper!And no it wasn't pie and chips.
A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
You're not making any sense. Your "good friend" already has to charge 20% on his hot Pukka pies. 20% has been added on to cheap hot food at takeaways for ages. It is big chain shops like Greggs who have used a loophole to avoid charging it and it has helped them undercut your friend.A good friend of ours runs his own little chippie, so I appreciate where your coming from on this. The small guy at least being VAT registered has the fun of being a tax taker and tax giver
Ultimately do we want to see 20% added onto cheap hot foods at a takeaway, its only going to increase the cost of product to the end customer,cause more time and effort into sorting the returns out which means even more cost. Which hits profit and divi payouts.
In the end a level playing field seems completely reasonable, abolish VAT on hot takeaways. It won't happen.
gtdc said:
The Chancellor has done something to help small business. Labour have jumped on a shameless bandwagon trying to twist it as a tax on the working man. To fall for that stunt is daft.
Sorry, but how does this measure help the small, independent bakeries that will now have to up their prices and therefore lose customers to the big boys?So... if we are now added VAT on all hot food, will in now be added to that fresh uncut loaf when it comes out of the oven?
wiggy001 said:
gtdc said:
The Chancellor has done something to help small business. Labour have jumped on a shameless bandwagon trying to twist it as a tax on the working man. To fall for that stunt is daft.
Sorry, but how does this measure help the small, independent bakeries that will now have to up their prices and therefore lose customers to the big boys?So... if we are now added VAT on all hot food, will in now be added to that fresh uncut loaf when it comes out of the oven?
gtdc said:
The Chancellor has done something to help small business. Labour have jumped on a shameless bandwagon trying to twist it as a tax on the working man. To fall for that stunt is daft.
The Chancellor has added further to the tax burden of the larger businesses involved with hot food. This in turn adds to the cost of the product at the counter.Gene Vincent said:
Food should have no VAT charged at all, VAT on food is just another energy tax.
If it is edible and has calorific content then no tax.
But surely VAT is a tax not on the product, but on the value added to the product during the course of its provision to the customer (the clue is in the name). So to sell someone a pie is not subject to VAT. Add value to the service, however, by heating it up or putting it on a plate and providing a knife and fork to eat it with, then VAT should quite rightly be paid. The great thing about VAT is that it's a tax which one choose not to pay if one wishes. Don't want to pay VAT on a hot pie? Simple, just buy the ingredients and make it yourself.If it is edible and has calorific content then no tax.
This whole thing is clearly an initiative by the government to prevent big business exploiting loopholes in the law to avoid paying taxes that small businesses are unable to avoid. And yet somehow the f
king lefties are trying to paint it as some sort of capitalist conspiracy to starve the lumpenproletariat into submission.Gaspode said:
This whole thing is clearly an initiative by the government to prevent big business exploiting loopholes in the law to avoid paying taxes that small businesses are unable to avoid. And yet somehow the fking lefties are trying to paint it as some sort of capitalist conspiracy to starve the lumpenproletariat into submission.
Well saidking lefties are trying to paint it as some sort of capitalist conspiracy to starve the lumpenproletariat into submission.Left, right or centre couldn't care less.
Food should not be taxed. Foie gras or deep fried Battered Mars bar, hot, cold or tepid... don't care.
It is extremely left wing to want to tax certain foods rather than others.
Leftie ball aches caused the taxing of some foods and not of others, I loathe lefties that masquerade as not.
Food should not be taxed. Foie gras or deep fried Battered Mars bar, hot, cold or tepid... don't care.
It is extremely left wing to want to tax certain foods rather than others.
Leftie ball aches caused the taxing of some foods and not of others, I loathe lefties that masquerade as not.
Gene Vincent said:
Left, right or centre couldn't care less.
Food should not be taxed. Foie gras or deep fried Battered Mars bar, hot, cold or tepid... don't care.
It is extremely left wing to want to tax certain foods rather than others.
Leftie ball aches caused the taxing of some foods and not of others, I loathe lefties that masquerade as not.
I have no issue with what you say, but as I said, VAT isn't a tax on the product, it's a tax on the service. Food isn't taxed, but the preparation of food is. I'm not sure whether you consider VAT to be a leftie tax or not, but from my perspective any indirect tax has got to be more in tune with conservative/independent/freethinking values than direct taxes, because they bring with them the freedom to avoid paying them - unlike direct taxes, over which we have no choice.Food should not be taxed. Foie gras or deep fried Battered Mars bar, hot, cold or tepid... don't care.
It is extremely left wing to want to tax certain foods rather than others.
Leftie ball aches caused the taxing of some foods and not of others, I loathe lefties that masquerade as not.
VAT can be thought of as a tax on the incompetent or the lazy, because one is less able to avoid paying it if one is unable or can't be bothered to make or perform the product or service in question. One can avoid paying VAT on prepared food by cooking it oneself. One could avoid paying VAT on new clothes by making them oneself. One can avoid paying VAT on diesel by making it oneself and so on. People who don't know how or can't be arsed to do these things themselves have to pay the price.
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