Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

[purplepolarbear]

garyhun said:

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

But what exactly is 'wrong' with UKIP policies?

I'd be more worried if they went to a religious family with god fearing literature left about.

There is nothing "wrong" with UKIP's policies. I don't personally agree with many of them but respect the point of view of those who do support them.

Many people who support UKIP do so because they believe unemployment is too high and a cause of this is migrant workers from Eastern Europe. Leaving the EU would mean the UK can ask these workers to leave. If you are a kid from one of these countries you may think the parents support UKIP for this reason and are hostile to your country. Bear in mind these are likely to be very mixed up kids who won't fully understand the exact policies or accept the parents explanation of why they support UKIP. The kids won't feel loved and secure which is what they probably need at this point.

[turbobloke]

MX7 said:

This is about someone who is too stupid to understand UKIP's policies.

Agreed. Somebody, or more than one person, in Rotherham Council should be sent for lessons in comprehension and receive a top-up in common sense.

MX7 said:

...she believes that UKIP has a policy of "ending multiculturalism". It doesn't, and she's a fking moron...The foster parents don't want to be identified, and the council have demonstrated that they are a thick as pig st.

Succinctly put.

[aw51 121565]

Grenoble said:

Andy Zarse said:

Yes, while you wait for the full story why not invent some utter baloney for us to read?

Chillout...

My point was that we haven't yet heard the full story.

The way the media has gone to pot recently, I would say we never will get an independent factual story around these events now .

[anonymous-user]

fbrs said:

BOR said:

The social workers are "damned if they do, damned if they don't"

They are responsible for the safety of the kids they place, and, with the best will in the world, a lot of UKIP members have a tendency to the sendemback.

The majority might not be racist, but they sure don't like The Foreign.

Is it worth the risk ?

I try not to be personal on here but every time you open your mouth you sound like a complete asshole.

I think there's a good reason for that..........

[odyssey2200]

Zeeky said:

The authorities have a duty to ensure the cultural differences of the children - due to them being from continental Europe - is respected and that the foster parents do not, in a cultural sense, anglicise them.

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God forbid that any child, who's parents moved to the UK for a better life, who is being now brought up and educated at the expense of an English couple and the English tax payer should become "anglicised"

[Zeeky]

This is an example of an individual who is clearly unsuitable to be a foster parent of children with a non-British culture. He might be a supporter of UKIP. He might not. That is not relevant. Tt is his attitude towards the children that shows his unsuitability to care for them.

(Not all UK taxpayers are "English" hence the essence of your belief is prejudiced).

[Oakey]

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

Do you have material from whatever political party you support littered all over your house?

[BliarOut]

purplepolarbear said:

garyhun said:

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

But what exactly is 'wrong' with UKIP policies?

I'd be more worried if they went to a religious family with god fearing literature left about.

There is nothing "wrong" with UKIP's policies. I don't personally agree with many of them but respect the point of view of those who do support them.

Many people who support UKIP do so because they believe unemployment is too high and a cause of this is migrant workers from Eastern Europe. Leaving the EU would mean the UK can ask these workers to leave. If you are a kid from one of these countries you may think the parents support UKIP for this reason and are hostile to your country. Bear in mind these are likely to be very mixed up kids who won't fully understand the exact policies or accept the parents explanation of why they support UKIP. The kids won't feel loved and secure which is what they probably need at this point.

Kids should be made aware of the unelected gravy train that is the EU.

Wanting to leave a financially crippled corrupt institution that can't even publish its accounts has nothing to do with race

[odyssey2200]

Zeeky said:

This is an example of an individual who is clearly unsuitable to be a foster parent of children with a non-British culture. He might be a supporter of UKIP. He might not. That is not relevant. Tt is his attitude towards the children that shows his unsuitability to care for them.

(Not all UK taxpayers are "English" hence the essence of your belief is prejudiced).

Taxpayers in England are English tax payers.

They pay English taxes.

[nelly1]

Oakey said:

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

Do you have material from whatever political party you support littered all over your house?

Stuff like this?

[Zeeky]

odyssey2200 said:

...Taxpayers in England are English tax payers.

They pay English taxes.

They are UK taxpayers, not English. There are many different ethnic origins and indeed nationalities paying UK taxes.

[Grenoble]

Zeeky said:

This is an example of an individual who is clearly unsuitable to be a foster parent of children with a non-British culture. He might be a supporter of UKIP. He might not. That is not relevant. Tt is his attitude towards the children that shows his unsuitability to care for them.

And do you have evidence that they *ever* expressed a political view to the children?

The problem with this story is people are judging them based on very limited information.

[Grenoble]

aw51 121565 said:

The way the media has gone to pot recently, I would say we never will get an independent factual story around these events now .

Agreed.

[Zeeky]

I was referring to Odyssey and his remarks, not the couple in Rotherham.

My thoughts on that are above.

[Grenoble]

Zeeky said:

I was referring to Odyssey and his remarks, not the couple in Rotherham.

My thoughts on that are above.

Ah, okay, sorry, I lost your context somewhere. Apologies.

[XCP]

Perhaps UKIP should make their policy clearer if people can get it that wrong. The removal of any possible doubt would seem to be a good thing.
Oh and does anyone else find Farages membership of the European Parliament a bit odd?

[purplepolarbear]

Oakey said:

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

Do you have material from whatever political party you support littered all over your house?

No, but UKIP would, I presume, send its members a newsletter. The kids may for example pick up the post and see this and realise the parents subscribe to it. I don't think it would be possible for the parents to hide this completely.

[odyssey2200]

purplepolarbear said:

Oakey said:

purplepolarbear said:

I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.

Do you have material from whatever political party you support littered all over your house?

No, but UKIP would, I presume, send its members a newsletter. The kids may for example pick up the post and see this and realise the parents subscribe to it. I don't think it would be possible for the parents to hide this completely.

So would a Labour Party newsletter be OK?
What about a Tory one?

Why is UKIPs policy so unacceptable?

[Grenoble]

XCP said:

Oh and does anyone else find Farages membership of the European Parliament a bit odd?

Not really, it's a perfect model of democracy that someone who is "anti" - and wants to fundamentally change an institution can stand on that platform and be elected.

I'd find it stranger if he stood on a pro-Europe platform and then tried to challenge and change it.

[Dixie68]

Zeeky said:

Dixie68 said:

...In an ideal world yes, in the real world where there are not enough families of the same ethnicity to foster what do you suggest? L

My suggestion was in the part of my post you did not quote

The foster parents should be questioned on how they will deal with the fact that the children have foreign cultural identities as well as the fact they will inevitably be anglicised to a large extent because they are growing up here. If the answer is "They live in Britain now, they are British and "X" is no longer relevant to them" then I would question the foster parents' suitability.

If the answer is "It hadn't occured to us" then all is not lost. The foster parents can be assisted with the children's care.

My point is that membership of UKIP is, in itself , insufficient to assess the parents' ability and willingness to protect the cultural identity of the children.

Ah my apologies you did indeed, I didn't read it correctly.