Reading your email..
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Roboraver said:
This is news ? anyone that didn't think this has not been happening since 1984 needs to get out a bit more !
Yes, I've pointed this out on several other forums where people were totally gob-smacked and shocked at the idea of big brother reading their e mails, listening to their phone calls etc......The general public do seem to be a bunch of idiots.
Pretty bad move by him to align himself with Assange (an accused rapist, no matter what his defenders say), Putin (who can hardly be called a defender of his people or their freedoms) and a couple of countries who crack down hard on those that disagree with the government line (Cuba and Equador).
He could hardly go down a route to gather less sympathy...
He could hardly go down a route to gather less sympathy...
0a said:
Pretty bad move by him to align himself with Assange (an accused rapist, no matter what his defenders say), Putin (who can hardly be called a defender of his people or their freedoms) and a couple of countries who crack down hard on those that disagree with the government line (Cuba and Equador).
He could hardly go down a route to gather less sympathy...
He'd tried Syria before that but there was some issue...He could hardly go down a route to gather less sympathy...
The reason Embassies have had special communications equipment since the time it could be invented was that they know they are being listened to. Embassies have all sorts of people doing all sorts of obscure jobs and they are all there to make sure the country they are from has the greatest advantage - politically, trading, culturally etc. Some countries are disadvantaged by their own people and so embassy personnel keep an eye out to make sure they're not up to no good.
Some countries have their own people up to no good so they get get watched at home.
That's probably a reasonable picture up to 1990 - i.e. before the internet took off.
Since then the technology has moved on but the principles haven't.
So it is hardly a surprise that people are going to be watched. And the more information that you put out there, the more likely you are to have it read.
Occasionally criminals leave a trail of evidence of a plot either before or after a crime. If nothing is there to actively find it, everything will be in past tense. Personally I prefer to know of events that are foiled, not ones where people are killed or maimed. Civil rights types always bang on about intrusion, how bad it is and how the stats show virtually no problem, but I don't recall the next of kin of a victim (where better intelligence could have stopped them being killed or maimed) feeling that way. Most or all would like to turn back the clock.
Snowden is incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid, or a traitor. If he maintains that he isn't a traitor his actions would suggest otherwise.
To leak the blindingly obvious is one thing, to then go to Russia suggests actively working for the other side.
Some countries have their own people up to no good so they get get watched at home.
That's probably a reasonable picture up to 1990 - i.e. before the internet took off.
Since then the technology has moved on but the principles haven't.
So it is hardly a surprise that people are going to be watched. And the more information that you put out there, the more likely you are to have it read.
Occasionally criminals leave a trail of evidence of a plot either before or after a crime. If nothing is there to actively find it, everything will be in past tense. Personally I prefer to know of events that are foiled, not ones where people are killed or maimed. Civil rights types always bang on about intrusion, how bad it is and how the stats show virtually no problem, but I don't recall the next of kin of a victim (where better intelligence could have stopped them being killed or maimed) feeling that way. Most or all would like to turn back the clock.
Snowden is incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid, or a traitor. If he maintains that he isn't a traitor his actions would suggest otherwise.
To leak the blindingly obvious is one thing, to then go to Russia suggests actively working for the other side.
The guy has funked his own life over, for what?
Hardly the greatest revelation in the world is it.
We all (or at least should do) know that calls and internet is monitored, that's how they stopped some of the 9/11 follow ups.
And considering that 'the public' seem to want to post everything they do, know and say, onto Facebook, it's not as if they have much to hide.
Hardly the greatest revelation in the world is it.
We all (or at least should do) know that calls and internet is monitored, that's how they stopped some of the 9/11 follow ups.
And considering that 'the public' seem to want to post everything they do, know and say, onto Facebook, it's not as if they have much to hide.
buggalugs said:
More people are killed by falls in the bath than terrorism, and you want to give up your basic freedoms and privacy to a faceless organisation forever to *maybe* reduce it a bit? Are you nuts?
This is the real point, and well put.For example - how many people died on 9/11?
Compare - how many people have died in America's revenge attacks? How many "freedoms" have been restricted in the name of the "war against terrorism"?
Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tactic for the achievement of political ends. Thus a war against terrorism becomes a war against dissent. They used to call it "treason". Q: What is treason? A: Anything the people in power do not like.
Justin Cyder said:
You wonder why these supposedly so smart kiddys don't jet in to Ecuador then blow the sodding whistle.
Exactly. I find it absolutely incredible that they would even think about starting the leaks of documents before being sat on a sun lounger in South America drinking a Corona.
What on earth do they think is going to happen?
Bizarre.
NinjaPower said:
I find it absolutely incredible that they would even think about starting the leaks of documents before being sat on a sun lounger in South America drinking a Corona.
I guess the alternative would be to come to UK, get a job in NHS and then claim "whistleblower protection"!!Personally I'm glad these people exist to expose the duplicity of our governments. Anything which exposes the lies of Bush, Blair and their ilk can only be a good thing.
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