Big Mouth Strikes Again - Charles compares Putin to Hitler
Discussion
QuantumTokoloshi said:
I would agree, but considering the condescending, snide and self congratulatory tone of the post, a quick correction was required.
Sorry if I pressed your buttons old chap but you weren't exactly holding back in expressing your own opinions were you? Besides, I'm not sure that it counts as a "correction" when you've only accounted for 12% of the original figure you quoted.Besides, my point was not that the Russians did not suffer greatly - they certainly did, but a good deal of that suffering was caused by their own side, before and during the war, and their alliance with the Nazis in 1939, and invasion of Poland, the Baltic States and Finland, together with their occupation of most of Eastern Europe post-war and suppression of democracy in those countries, means that they can't really paint themselves as the good guys, as you seem wont to do.
The Russians weren't fighting for "us" or to save the peoples of Eastern Europe (their failure to support the Warsaw uprising proves that, let alone their invasion of Poland in 1939) but entirely to preserve their own influence and tyrannical system of govt.
That's what I mean about reading a bit more history...
Derek Smith said:
He's part of the royal family. It is not up to him to have opinion at official engagements. His job is to represent the country, not to indulge in flights of fancy that can give a foreign country a reason to call in an ambassador for a justifiable moan.
It doesn't take a royal to get diplomats in to have a moan, just take our person on the Malvlands who got into hot water for telling some home truthshttp://en.mercopress.com/2014/05/19/falkland-islan...
Apparently the governor had been so rash as to say
"In his interview Governor Roberts had spoken of a series of ”actions“ and ”declarations“ by ”the Argentine government in the last few years that have been designed to damage the economy and suffocate the capacities of the Islands’ inhabitants“.
which actually turns out to be true. But if the Falklands did go back to Argentina, then diplomat Ms Castro states they would find a land of milk and honey
"and would enjoy a far better quality of life”."
Current rate of inflation in Argentina is 30%, the people hate the government due to the crime rate and also they are poor as feck
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/04/30/poverty-in-arg...
I think there is some unhappiness within the Tory Daily Mail reading majority on here that Charles does not ride a Ducati or fly a chopper like his son, but instead talks to plants. So you have got your knickers in a conundrum trying who to support least.
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 22 May 16:23
Bluebarge said:
You presumably mean the Ukrainian govt trying to disarm the Russian-sponsored separatists in Eastern Ukraine? The difference to the British Govt.'s own actions in N.Ireland is?
Yes, as we know, getting people into to the building and setting it alight is very efficient disarming method. Well they'll certainly not carry weapons again. NI is a whataboutism 101, but you knew that already, didn't you.Derek Smith said:
And at a public engagement.
He's part of the royal family. It is not up to him to have opinion at official engagements. His job is to represent the country, not to indulge in flights of fancy that can give a foreign country a reason to call in an ambassador for a justifiable moan.
He can, obviously, have that opinion, as do many of us. I view Putin as probably the most dangerous Russian leader since Stalin. Most of the others have been more or less sane. Putin though . . .
But the heir to the throne has limitations as to what he can and cannot say at an official engagement.
The chap lacks judgement, he lacks discretion. He's got a job to do and he should concentrate on that. It will be viewed as 'official' policy by those who will wish to exploit such gaffs. He holds an office of the state and he should accept its limitations.
His mother is queen by way of agreement. The family enjoys massive concessions. He owns a massive swathe of the country. He's had his fill from the role. If he didn't want to do it then fair enough, but if he takes the state's shilling then he should do the job properly and not engage in whimsy.
Er, Derek, IMHO he IS the State and everyone else is subservient to his Mum at least. Thats the Law. He may be a bit of a loose cannon, but I think he would have told Tony and Gordon to bog off with some of their 'laws' requiring Royal assent. I would have. Actually an interesting thought, wonder how many Liz has knocked back?He's part of the royal family. It is not up to him to have opinion at official engagements. His job is to represent the country, not to indulge in flights of fancy that can give a foreign country a reason to call in an ambassador for a justifiable moan.
He can, obviously, have that opinion, as do many of us. I view Putin as probably the most dangerous Russian leader since Stalin. Most of the others have been more or less sane. Putin though . . .
But the heir to the throne has limitations as to what he can and cannot say at an official engagement.
The chap lacks judgement, he lacks discretion. He's got a job to do and he should concentrate on that. It will be viewed as 'official' policy by those who will wish to exploit such gaffs. He holds an office of the state and he should accept its limitations.
His mother is queen by way of agreement. The family enjoys massive concessions. He owns a massive swathe of the country. He's had his fill from the role. If he didn't want to do it then fair enough, but if he takes the state's shilling then he should do the job properly and not engage in whimsy.
What should worrys us, is not if puchin is a villain, but the fact our own media machine has become as equally insidious as the kremlins.
From clarkson to farrage, chuck to whoever we seem to have a media cabal that seems determined to leap on any person who makes a gaff or off the cuff comment that doesnt subscribe to some islington inspired pc rhetoric on what we should all say or think.
Given certain newspaper groups are now owned by russian oligarchs with connections to putin is it any surprise they have lept on this?
We used to have two amazing things in the uk, freedom of speech and the british bulldog independence,
Our bulldog seems to have taken a trip to the vets and had its balls cut off, even the cuddly swedes look mkore robust these days, their Pm came right out and called putin a bully and thug while cameron was cuddling up and taking it so the city didnt lose their money laundering operations.
Its a sad state of affairs, our european cousins can freely discuss everything from russia to halal, immigration to fat people in strong terms but the minute we mention anything that might slightly upset anyone anywhere we are lept on like we're oswald mosley,
Bring back tony benn. It would be nice to have leadership that isnt afraid to give the finger and stand up for their opinions instead of behaving like apologist snake oil salesmen because we might have done something naughty three hundred years ago.
So here it is russia, f
k off, you are clearly devious double crossing corrupt nogooders hell bent on using soviet propoganda to twist history and events to your own ends, your leader is a tyrannical thug who hangs on to power by whipping up right wing sentiment against all foreign powers and people in your country are too scared to do anything, anyone who threatens you goes to prison on trumped up charges or gets whacked in mysterious circumstances.
If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.
Putin is laughing at us, instead of defending our king the media are hanging him out to dry, its that kind of divisive propoganda putin loves, if he wanted to invade the entire of europe he knows we wouldnt do a thing - we're too busy laundering his oligarchs money and fighting amongst ourselves over labelling halal chicken burgers,
From clarkson to farrage, chuck to whoever we seem to have a media cabal that seems determined to leap on any person who makes a gaff or off the cuff comment that doesnt subscribe to some islington inspired pc rhetoric on what we should all say or think.
Given certain newspaper groups are now owned by russian oligarchs with connections to putin is it any surprise they have lept on this?
We used to have two amazing things in the uk, freedom of speech and the british bulldog independence,
Our bulldog seems to have taken a trip to the vets and had its balls cut off, even the cuddly swedes look mkore robust these days, their Pm came right out and called putin a bully and thug while cameron was cuddling up and taking it so the city didnt lose their money laundering operations.
Its a sad state of affairs, our european cousins can freely discuss everything from russia to halal, immigration to fat people in strong terms but the minute we mention anything that might slightly upset anyone anywhere we are lept on like we're oswald mosley,
Bring back tony benn. It would be nice to have leadership that isnt afraid to give the finger and stand up for their opinions instead of behaving like apologist snake oil salesmen because we might have done something naughty three hundred years ago.
So here it is russia, f
k off, you are clearly devious double crossing corrupt nogooders hell bent on using soviet propoganda to twist history and events to your own ends, your leader is a tyrannical thug who hangs on to power by whipping up right wing sentiment against all foreign powers and people in your country are too scared to do anything, anyone who threatens you goes to prison on trumped up charges or gets whacked in mysterious circumstances. If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.
Putin is laughing at us, instead of defending our king the media are hanging him out to dry, its that kind of divisive propoganda putin loves, if he wanted to invade the entire of europe he knows we wouldnt do a thing - we're too busy laundering his oligarchs money and fighting amongst ourselves over labelling halal chicken burgers,
Your ranting bile is forcibly expressed. Off your chest now? We all feel the same but the thread is about Charles and his stupid attempts to engage with the proles. It is a matter of world endangering calamitous risk of conflagration. What's wanted is what works.
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
Thorodin said:
Your ranting bile is forcibly expressed. Off your chest now? We all feel the same but the thread is about Charles and his stupid attempts to engage with the proles. It is a matter of world endangering calamitous risk of conflagration. What's wanted is what works.
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
yes, i feel better now, made the cardinal error of stopping off and drinking a pint of stella before 5pm whilst walking the dog.Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
The rage seems to come on stronger during daylight hours, it must be UV sensitive,
Mr GrimNasty said:
Charles is an idiot.
Please show more respect - Charles is next in line to the throne, and deserves it.You should be proud of your royal family. Once they had decided which side they were on in the world wars they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor (very convenient) and for several generations have managed to produce some of the worst qualifications ever achieved after years of expensive education at Britain's leading public schools. They are your blue-blooded Rodney Trotters.
Thorodin said:
Your ranting bile is forcibly expressed. Off your chest now? We all feel the same but the thread is about Charles and his stupid attempts to engage with the proles. It is a matter of world endangering calamitous risk of conflagration. What's wanted is what works.
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
massively OT but I suspect we are now only viewed as the US 'yes man'Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and measured diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
Ozzie Osmond said:
Please show more respect - Charles is next in line to the throne, and deserves it.
You should be proud of your royal family. Once they had decided which side they were on in the world wars they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor (very convenient) and for several generations have managed to produce some of the worst qualifications ever achieved after years of expensive education at Britain's leading public schools. They are your blue-blooded Rodney Trotters.
I still fail to see what relevance a 65 year old mans A level results nearly 50 years ago have to anything. Nor the fact that his great grandfather ( who was English) changed his surname almost 100 years ago. Quite bizarre!You should be proud of your royal family. Once they had decided which side they were on in the world wars they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor (very convenient) and for several generations have managed to produce some of the worst qualifications ever achieved after years of expensive education at Britain's leading public schools. They are your blue-blooded Rodney Trotters.
XCP said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Please show more respect - Charles is next in line to the throne, and deserves it.
You should be proud of your royal family. Once they had decided which side they were on in the world wars they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor (very convenient) and for several generations have managed to produce some of the worst qualifications ever achieved after years of expensive education at Britain's leading public schools. They are your blue-blooded Rodney Trotters.
I still fail to see what relevance a 65 year old mans A level results nearly 50 years ago have to anything. Nor the fact that his great grandfather ( who was English) changed his surname almost 100 years ago. Quite bizarre!You should be proud of your royal family. Once they had decided which side they were on in the world wars they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor (very convenient) and for several generations have managed to produce some of the worst qualifications ever achieved after years of expensive education at Britain's leading public schools. They are your blue-blooded Rodney Trotters.
OllieC said:
massively OT but I suspect we are now only viewed as the US 'yes man'
I guess you're right but you have use what you've got to best advantage in an attempt to maintain some influence. Diplomacy, seen by some as smarm, still works in many quarters. It keeps doors open and people talking. Loose canons making loud noises can only stuff everything up. OllieC said:
massively OT but I suspect we are now only viewed as the US 'yes man'
....or by Russia as "just a small island nobody listens to". Charlie the German thick-wit has really helped debunk that one.The USA knows the royals are clowns. A few days ago Harry and William Windsor were out there for somebody's wedding in Memphis and the US press was full of my favourite library shots,
1. Harry in his Nazi armband, and
2. Harry not in his Nazi armband, in fact not wearing anything, in Las Vegas.
Here's a nice write-up too,
"Britains Prince Harry has been welcomed to Memphis by a local strip joint. The party-loving prince has jetted in to the US city for the wedding of his friend Guy Pelly to Lizzy Wilson, and The Pony Club the largest topless gentlemans club in Tennessee has put up a huge sign reading Welcome Prince Harry, and the owners of the nightspot say both he and his brother Prince William are welcome to visit during their trip.
"In 2012, nude pictures of Harry were famously leaked after he played strip billiards while partying in Las Vegas, but Jerry has reassured the prince of his venues full discretion should he wish to pay a visit. He added: We hope he does come here, but we will try to keep him fully clothed at the Pony. Prince Harry, we can keep a secret. What happens in Mid-South stays in the Mid-South.
Very classy those Windsors. Mind you, their Dad kept Camilla on the boil throughout his marriage to Di - and wasn't she somewhat familiar with elements of the England rugby team? Those lads have a lot to live up to.
Thorodin said:
Your ranting bile is forcibly expressed. Off your chest now? We all feel the same but the thread is about Charles and his stupid attempts to engage with the proles. It is a matter of world endangering calamitous risk of conflagration. What's wanted is what works.
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and GUNBOAT diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
EFA.Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and GUNBOAT diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
Wacky Racer said:
Thorodin said:
Your ranting bile is forcibly expressed. Off your chest now? We all feel the same but the thread is about Charles and his stupid attempts to engage with the proles. It is a matter of world endangering calamitous risk of conflagration. What's wanted is what works.
Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and GUNBOAT diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
EFA.Charles' slagging off of the world's most powerful and dangerous idealists doesn't help in any way at all. He knows full well that diplomacy can move mountains but giving what he thinks 'common' people want to hear is just plain stupid. He represents the UK monarchy, ridiculed by some here maybe, but can be used as stick to beat us by others in the world who have even a tiny axe to grind let alone a massive logistical potential. We are globally famous for subtlety and GUNBOAT diplomacy. He has helped to destroy that advantage. If you were picking sides for your team would he be first or last?
Your final comment (abbreviation I presume) has no obvious meaning (to me) and I would be again grateful for your help in decoding it. As this is your only post on this in 6 pages I regret I am unable fully to evaluate it.
Edited by Thorodin on Friday 23 May 12:04
league67 said:
Yes, as we know, getting people into to the building and setting it alight is very efficient disarming method. Well they'll certainly not carry weapons again. NI is a whataboutism 101, but you knew that already, didn't you.
Well the incident in Odessa was dreadful but it's not yet clear exactly what happened and the Ukrainian interim President has called for an investigation and for those responsible to be held to account, so let's see what happens there.What I was referring to was the Ukraine in general trying to re-assert its authority in the east of that country (whose borders are supposed to be guaranteed by Russia) and dismantle the roadblocks set up by armed militias trying to frustrate the democratic process.
The NI parallel is entirely valid - the British govt did not tolerate an armed secessionist movement that did not represent the majority view in that province - it was entirely right to do so, although the methods used were not always acceptable (e.g Bloody Sunday, internment without trial). The Ukrainian govt. is not doing anything different.
But then you already knew that.
Our wonderful Queen Liz II is wonderful, she has been wonderful for many decades. If she stood wonderfully in the 2015 General Election on a dictatorship ticket then she would get my vote.
But when she finally pops her clogs, it will be time to draw a veil onthe German our Royal Family.
But when she finally pops her clogs, it will be time to draw a veil on
V8 Fettler said:
Our wonderful Queen Liz II is wonderful, she has been wonderful for many decades. If she stood wonderfully in the 2015 General Election on a dictatorship ticket then she would get my vote.
But when she finally pops her clogs, it will be time to draw a veil onthe German our Royal Family.
You have my agreement there, if only too see Katie middleclass face when she loses her royal title and move into a three bed semi-detached in Surbiton.But when she finally pops her clogs, it will be time to draw a veil on
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