British man beats German tourist to death.

[SpeckledJim]

LucreLout said:

SpeckledJim said:

And with your informed and wise summary justice quickly meted, no expensive and boring trial required. Bonus.

Now tell us who else, and we'll go geddem!

Parliament. They're all guilty of something

That's not much of an argument.

LucreLout said:

He had indecent images of kids on his iPad.

Because an on-tilt ex-pat boxer said so? We'll see. Wait for the trial.

LucreLout said:

In what possible way do you imagine he could not be guilty?

I'd say if I'd just killed someone, claiming there was child porn on his iPad (which I'd destroyed) might work in my favour a little. Just a thought? We'll see. Wait for the trial.

LucreLout said:

It's time kiddy fiddling had a mandatory whole life tariff. The main reason I doesn't is the number of MPs and judiciary for whom it is a pastime.

Wipe the splutterfoam from your lip and go back to the top. Who is a kiddy fiddler?

Nobody. The person who might have been is dead. No trial.

[Silent1]

Jesus this thread is embarrassing, people are seriously advocating death based on an emotional response rather than actually finding out if he did have child abuse images (child porn isnt the correct phrase imho) on his iPad, which the only mention is by someone who wasn't there, everyone else says that he only saw images of his child, what if the German was mentally impaired and didn't understand societal norms?
So many people in this country seem to live in fear of paedophiles and at the same time harbour some sort of fantasy of how they would torture them, it's mental.

[boobles]

My mate was thrown out of the swimming pool the other night simply because the "s" had worn away from his "speedos"...... Crazy world we live in!

[TTwiggy]

Silent1 said:

Jesus this thread is embarrassing, people are seriously advocating death based on an emotional response rather than actually finding out if he did have child abuse images (child porn isnt the correct phrase imho) on his iPad, which the only mention is by someone who wasn't there, everyone else says that he only saw images of his child, what if the German was mentally impaired and didn't understand societal norms?
So many people in this country seem to live in fear of paedophiles and at the same time harbour some sort of fantasy of how they would torture them, it's mental.

'you don't understand mate as your [sic] not a dad!! If any pedo [sic] so much as imagined the idea of taking a photo of my fully dressed child in a well-lit public place I'd be forced to travel back in time and murder his whole family tree, the sick nonce. Now I'm just off down Primark to buy her a training thong, makeup and a 'daddy's little pole dancer' t-shirt...'

[uncinquesei]

TTwiggy said:

'you don't understand mate as your [sic] not a dad!! If any pedo [sic] so much as imagined the idea of taking a photo of my fully dressed child in a well-lit public place I'd be forced to travel back in time and murder his whole family tree, the sick nonce. Now I'm just off down Primark to buy her a training thong, makeup and a 'daddy's little pole dancer' t-shirt...'

In a nutshell.
See also "from the message boards" in Private Eye.

[LucreLout]

SpeckledJim said:

Noncesense...

The ipod may be destroyed but the data will be recoverable and is likely already backed up online. He will have had it in his possession, and that will be because he required constant access to it: Why else run the risk of transporting it instead of leaving it at home.

What value is it you put on nonces that you think the rest of us should suffer them?

If the courts did their job instead of covering for their ilk then parents wouldn't have to take justice for themselves.

[SpeckledJim]

LucreLout said:

The ipod may be destroyed but the data will be recoverable and is likely already backed up online. He will have had it in his possession, and that will be because he required constant access to it: Why else run the risk of transporting it instead of leaving it at home.

What value is it you put on nonces that you think the rest of us should suffer them?

If the courts did their job instead of covering for their ilk then parents wouldn't have to take justice for themselves.

Which of your judgments this afternoon have been based on facts?

Just quote them, so we can see. Please.

[LucreLout]

Silent1 said:

people are seriously advocating death based on an emotional response rather than actually finding out if he did have child abuse images (child porn isnt the correct phrase imho) on his iPad, ...

Personally I don't advocate it. Life in prison, yes, death no. But I certainly don't believe that when the evidence is recovered from the mangled iPad, and it does indeed contain abuse images, that the father should be charged.

If it turns out that he left the venue and then returned having already felled the nonce and broken his iPad, I'll probably change my view on that to thinking he deserves a short custodial sentance.

Paedophiles should expect a bad reaction from their targets fathers. They should not be expecting the protection of the courts.

[LucreLout]

SpeckledJim said:

Which of your judgments this afternoon have been based on facts?

Just quote them, so we can see. Please.

LucreLout said:

Jim is a cock

That one

My "judgements" as you call them all relate to general noncing not this specific case, apart from the last ... Two, I think.

You'll notice that they have predicates and conditions attached.

[WestyCarl]

LucreLout said:

He had indecent images of kids on his iPad. In what possible way do you imagine he could not be guilty?

Edited by LucreLout on Tuesday 10th February 16:00

So what if it turns out not to be his IPAD but one he's borrowed.

[benjj]

Stupid people in foreign places doing moronic stuff. I don't really care that a (suspected) paedo is dead, nor whether the punchy Brit-crim goes to jail or not. I'm much more interested in what I'll have for tea tonight.

Unless it's paedo & chips, natch.

[LucreLout]

WestyCarl said:

So what if it turns out not to be his IPAD but one he's borrowed.

He just happened to have an arrest record for dodgy pics, just happened to be filming the guys daughter, and it just happens to be on a borrowed ipod that also has dodgy pictures on it?

Well, with that level of bad luck he'd have walked outside and got killed by a falling unicorn.

[MC Bodge]

It is sadly predictable just how quickly mob rule takes over.

There is no factual evidence about the dead Man in the news.

Being eccentric and questioned about taking photos of children isn't the same as being a predatory sexual deviant. It may not be as sinister as is being suggested and assumed.

Having incriminating photos on the iPad sounds like a tabloid rumour.

I can understand a parent being incensed by behaviour that threatens their child (who wouldn't be?) and that they might use force to defend them against an attacker/abductor, but that is different to a possibly premeditated assault on somebody taking presumably not indecent photos in a restaurant (even if there were actually indecent photos on the camera too) -something that most untrained, non-fighting, rational men would probably not actually do in real life.

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 10th February 17:05

Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 10th February 17:07

[WestyCarl]

LucreLout said:

He just happened to have an arrest record for dodgy pics, just happened to be filming the guys daughter, and it just happens to be on a borrowed ipod that also has dodgy pictures on it?

Well, with that level of bad luck he'd have walked outside and got killed by a falling unicorn.

But you didn't know his record when you killed him, just that he was filming in a restaurant.

Still, he must have been guilty, just like this guy;
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/28/vig...

[LucreLout]

WestyCarl said:

But you didn't know his record when you killed him, just that he was filming in a restaurant.

Still, he must have been guilty, just like this guy;
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/28/vig...

I've killed a few pies in my time, and even the odd kebab, but thankfully no people.

I'm not saying the nonce deserved to die, only that the father shouldn't be charged if that is the end result. You can't expect people to behave rationally and calmly while you film their kids on a laptop full of indecent images of children.

If the laptop has no such images then clearly the father should be charged.

Personally, I'd hope to just confiscate the device and restrain the pervert.... Though I might have difficulty doing that as I'm not good at fighting.

The maximum tariff is probably only a few years (third off for good character, third off for guilty plea etc etc etc). The only reason for that is the prevalence of peados in the cjs and Westminster. It's not justice.

[wc98]

Mojocvh said:

So your darling little farquar turns out to be a bully, another parent catches him at it,tells him off and he runs home to data and tells you a bunch of lies about nasty paedo man, what are you going to do Mr psycho?

i have two daughters,both raised to treat others in the same way they would like to be treated ,be polite at all times and are seen by all who know them to be very nice people. only ever had one issue surrounding bullying when the eldest had a spot of bother from what you would refer to as a "tarquin" , a chat with the lads father sorted it out amicably ,surprisingly no one even died.

[wc98]

raftom said:

Most people given a choice between raising their kids or watch them grow up from behind the bars would choose the former.

But by "most people" I mean the non-neanderthal variety who can think before acting.

i always wondered how so many kids ended up abused with no protection from their parents ,when it comes to your own children there is not a lot of thinking to do when it comes to protecting them,for some it is a natural instinct.

[Oakey]

Bluebarge said:

Neanderthal logic at its finest.

I was actually referring to the people piping up the nonce had yet to be charged with a crime ergo he must be innocent (whilst ignoring the slight issue of him having child porn on his ipad)

[WestyCarl]

wc98 said:

i always wondered how so many kids ended up abused with no protection from their parents ,when it comes to your own children there is not a lot of thinking to do when it comes to protecting them,for some it is a natural instinct.

But the kid wasn't being abused, they were in a restaurant having some pics taken of them. The child probably didn't even realise. And for this the family is now going to suffer.
I can imagine parents rage if they catch someone in some sort of act, but taking pics in a restaurant......

[anonymous-user]

The news report I saw said he had been found days earlier with child porn.