Poor Russell Brand

[ruff'n'smov]

Dog Star said:

What is it with lefties - all they seem to do is protest, scream, rant, have a riot - "ffffuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkk you!!". I can't imaging your Liberal or Conservative voter behaving in such a manner. All lefties seem to think that having a tantrum will get you what you want (ie. nothing. Unless it's st. For everyone.)

Unless you count the pro hunt lobby of course.....they just had peaceful little get togethers

[citizensm1th]

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

[Roverload]

birdcage said:

Non of us will ever truly fathom the internet, we can go to dinner parties and have a decent conversation about whether Nelson Mandela is a terrorist or a freedom fighter with everyone kissing at the end of the night and going home but come onto what is ostensibly a car forum and the need to prove the other person so retarded they don't even understand the actual argument is amazing...

There are no winners....Just people spending way too much time on the internet having arguments they can't hope to enjoy, invariably resorting to and grammar or use of iambic pentameters or suchlike..

Let's assume Martin Amis or Noam Chomsky is not on Pistonheads, although if they were it would take no time at all before people told them what a wkers they are so just stick to the thread or don't rise to it...Or get a pub quiz machine in your living room and play that at night instead, easier to impress the wife when those pound coins come rolling out too.

So being bright on the internet makes you look more stupid...There is a thread running on the Porshe forum at the moment that has digressed into the viability and timeline for self driving cars and it's the only thread I can remember reading recently where you see it taking a massive diversion where the bystanders are still learning something and enjoing the 'debate'

Serious question though, what is she so cross about?

Just re posting as it seems to have gone un noticed! Can we talk about cars now?

[DBSV8]

Crush said:

At least we found a replacement for Mo Farah, that was some speed.

was thinking the same thing ............the boy can sure run

go forest brand

[CAPP0]

Haven't read the whole thread, but I have zero time for rent-a-mob "protesters" whatever this week's cause is.

Genuine question however: if their "anti-austerity" position is as black & white as the title, what is their proposed alternative? A return to the run-up to 2008?

[DJRC]

HewManHeMan said:

andymadmak said:

HewManHeMan said:

Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.

That is not an answer to how you can be so certain of the attitudes of people at the top of the Conservative party. Engage with local communities? OK, you are assuming that people do not already. Are you also implying in this that things were not bad in the Labour years..... ? There were 13 years of Labour government, were things sooooo much better then? But let's leave that aside for a moment and deal with the specifics of your claim...

So having engaged with the local community, (assuming I have not already) can you outline what you expect me to observe that is so much worse now than it was under Labour? You know what I mean, those things that prove that the Tories all think we are scum.. After all, it should be easy for a man of the people such as yourself to highlight just a few clear, salient issues.

You see, my problem with people like you is that you spout the "Tories think we're all scum" rhetoric as if you have facts to support your assertion, when in fact the reality is that you don't. You're just another silly little class warrior like Brand, Church et al. Ms Church says she'd be happy to pay 70% tax if only they'd let her. Well newsflash dearie, there's nothing to stop you getting your cheque book out and writing a nice big extra payment to HMRC.

Edited by andymadmak on Monday 22 June 14:38

As if I could be anywhere near arsed enough to bother. If the real life glaringly obvious isn't sinking in then what hope has another internet geek of making his point? So I decline your offer.

Hmm. Well in terms of NHS and social care at the local community level I can attest to the post hospital "care package" provision for stroke victims to currently being light yrs better under the govt now than say - a few yrs ago.

[Snozzwangler]

Dog Star said:

This is what really gets on my tits: I see it on arsebook - and here it is again - this belief that only the left can "care"; only they care about the NHS and "the less fortunate".

I'll tell you what - I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun; I actually really do have a framed photo of Mrs Thatcher on my office wall. And I'll tell you something else - I care about things like the NHS, I care about the disabled, I care about those genuine people who have fallen on hard times (eg. that person ^^^ up there on about losing jobs etc). This isn't the exclusive preserve of the left.

However when things don't go my way I don't have a riot, I don't start screaming "fk this, fk that". I get on with it and carry on. I don't intimidate folk who have political beliefs different to mine.

But I'll tell you who I don't give a fk about - the idle and feckless, the sociopaths and criminals you see strutting our streets, shirtless with a staffie dog on a string. There's a horrible social underclass in this country and for some reason socialists will defend the rights of these people to idly sit and sponge of the rest of us. I don't give a st about these people. If it wasn't for what it takes to look after them (and the costs go way beyond the headline welfare bill) there's be a lot nore to go round for the NHS, armed forces and welfare for real cases.

I think I'm in love

[Snozzwangler]

citizensm1th said:

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

What do you think they did in the 80s?

[andymadmak]

Snozzwangler said:

citizensm1th said:

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

What do you think they did in the 80s?

I think citizen is objecting to Mrs Thatcher having to take some tough decisions in order to rebuild GB PLC after it had to go cap in hand to the IMF in the 1970s.. Apparently 3 day weeks, power cuts, standpipes, miners strikes, red robbo, bodies being stored in fridge containers and the winter of discontent were all preferable to the creation of an enterprise economy....

[CAPP0]

andymadmak said:

Apparently 3 day weeks, power cuts, standpipes, miners strikes, red robbo, bodies being stored in fridge containers and the winter of discontent were all preferable to the creation of an enterprise economy....

That'll be that "anti-austerity" place which is apparently so good…..

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The left would have us believe that the only ones who can get a good standard of education / life are the rich...

After Labour introduced tuition fees they have a point!

[Snozzwangler]

andymadmak said:

Snozzwangler said:

citizensm1th said:

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

What do you think they did in the 80s?

I think citizen is objecting to Mrs Thatcher having to take some tough decisions in order to rebuild GB PLC after it had to go cap in hand to the IMF in the 1970s.. Apparently 3 day weeks, power cuts, standpipes, miners strikes, red robbo, bodies being stored in fridge containers and the winter of discontent were all preferable to the creation of an enterprise economy....

Is like to hear what has says is so horrid about it, which has left us worse off today....

[mikees]

Einion Yrth said:

Brilliant

[Zod]

Snozzwangler said:

citizensm1th said:

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

What do you think they did in the 80s?

Er, created the conditions for him to become prosperous.

[SBDJ]

HewManHeMan said:

Good grief. Have a look around at what's actually going on. Engage with local communities. Open your eyes.

As the father to a very heavily disabled child I spend a lot of time at various educational, entertainment and medical facilities. I meet a lot of teachers, parents of other disabled children, medical specialists, social workers and the like. I'm just not seeing what you say you are seeing.

In fact I had a letter through the other day to say they are doubling the access to one of the services to all the children under that service. Surely that can't be possible, I've heard those evil tories are cutting all services to the needy because they hate the disabled. It must be a trap!

I'm sure some people are suffering but here's the my problem with that statement - some people always suffer. I'd wager a lot of these people suffered under Labour and they would suffer no matter who the administration of the day are. I could sit around moaning about what has happened, might happen or will happen. Personally though I'd rather get on and try and do something about it. IMHO that is the problem with a lot of people - they'd rather apportion blame than try and improve their lot.

[Snozzwangler]

Zod said:

Snozzwangler said:

citizensm1th said:

I was born in the sarf the isle of wight in fact. I left school in 1982 and in a fit of youthful ignorance voted tory at my first election(I blame my brother he always was a bullying tt). I grew up on the pan estate in Newport of divorced parents from very working class stock. I have despite leaving school with only 8 cse's bought my own house something my parents could never have even contemplated ,I have only ever in all the years since 1982 been out of work for a total of ten weeks as I have made a point of working what ever the job from clearing dead peoples houses to running nightclubs.
When you look at my story I look like tebbits poster boy of the 80,s but I will never ever ever ever vote tory again after what I saw them do to the uk in the 80,s

What do you think they did in the 80s?

Er, created the conditions for him to become prosperous.

Yup.

I think he's failing to find anything else to say

[Axionknight]

mybrainhurts said:

Has Brand stuck the promised firework up his arse yet, or is that a pleasure still to come?

Sadly not - but that particular statement did cause a massive game of one upman ship on here at the time eith regards to who would pay or do the most to carry the deed out

[jmorgan]

Axionknight said:

mybrainhurts said:

Has Brand stuck the promised firework up his arse yet, or is that a pleasure still to come?

Sadly not - but that particular statement did cause a massive game of one upman ship on here at the time eith regards to who would pay or do the most to carry the deed out

November 5th not far away, I think an internet campaign should be set up......

Tell him it has a VIP area and free bottled water.

[PoleDriver]

[L1OFF]

andymadmak said:

FredClogs said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I am not saying that `everyone' can be a company director, in the same way that not everyone can be a fighter pilot or a skilled surgeon. Doing these types of jobs requires a specific level of intelligence, and other skill sets. But such intelligence and skills sets are not the sole pre
serve of the `rich' that the socialists bleat on about all the time. A person from a poor background
can have these attributes and still make a success of themselves.
My Dad was prepared to work his socks off, and whilst coming from humble beginnings, we did quite well, and he passed the `always do your best' work ethic to my siblings and 1.
But the point that brought the attitudinal differences home to me, was school. It was nothing special just a secondary modern, and I was a long, long way off being the sharpest tool in the box even there.
Some other kids there took the p*ss out of me for always trying to work hard and do my best, and the ones who did this most, were the, have a fag around the bike sheds when and they should have been in class, I already know it all, school is just crap, kids, who came from council houses with vote labour placards on them.
Some years later I saw one of these individuals who had been particularly mocking and nasty standing at a bus stop, whilst I drove past him in my new sports car! that I had worked hard and saved for.
We both recognised each other, and he looked a bit embarrassed and immediately turned away.
He had been given exactly the same schooling as me, and in all probability was much brighter, but brought down by what I refer to as the `council house mentality' that is the key difference between
those who support the left and the right, and I have seen nothing which leads me to change that view.

Apologies for prematurely sent off post.

Pan Pan Pan represents what I refer to as 'Wimpy housed, failed 11 plus, wannabee, narcissistic, paranoid, gotta have a new car, cut the lawn so the neighbors don't natter mentality'

Pan Pan Pan seems like a decent hard working bloke to me. I was brought up in a council house together with my brother. Mum was a single parent through no fault of her own. Let me tell you that being a single parent in the 60s was not something that was as readily accepted by society as it is perhaps today. Anyway my brother and I were told that we should do our best and that the only limits were those we imposed on ourselves. Brother went on to be a senior consultant orthopaedic surgeon and I have had a reasonably successful business career. No doubt you'll find a way to sneer at me too, but frankly I don't care.

Pretty much the same story as me, and no doubt an awfull lot of others in this country.