Another US Campus mass shooting.

[anonymous-user]

Fartomatic5000 said:

They appear to not give a toss because they understand what the second ammendment is about better than any disarmed Brit could.

Hey, at least we can spell amendment!

In Britain, we do not carry or keep arms, for the most part. We have not fallen to tyranny. We have a democracy, the rule of law, a free media, and all that. We have a well regulated militia. It's called the Territorial Army, and resembles the US National Guard.

[Jinx]

Breadvan72 said:

In Britain, we do not carry or keep arms, for the most part. We have not fallen to tyranny. We have a democracy, the rule of law, a free media, and all that. We have a well regulated militia. It's called the Territorial Army, and resembles the US National Guard.

[cough] Leveson[/cough]

[longblackcoat]

Breadvan72 said:

... or a bazzer with a chambers subscription to Global academic online resources, so will give it a read later, ta.

On a political level it's worth reading in any case; for any econometrician (or economists worth their salt) they've constructed a model you can properly geek out over.

[CaptainSlow]

Breadvan72 said:

Hey, at least we can spell amendment!

In Britain, we do not carry or keep arms, for the most part. We have not fallen to tyranny. We have a democracy, the rule of law, a free media, and all that. We have a well regulated militia. It's called the Territorial Army, and resembles the US National Guard.

The TA isn't a true militia.

[Blackpuddin]

Killer's father seems to have a British accent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34421741

[toon10]

anonymous said:

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I don't think anyone is shocked it's happened again but some of us are still incensed by it. Americans (or a significant proportion of them) are not willing to change their laws but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean the rest of the world should just shrug their shoulders and not get worked up about it.

[Oakey]

Blackpuddin said:

Killer's father seems to have a British accent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34421741

How... how is that possible? He's British, but he lives in America? How did he get across the Atlantic ocean!!?

This, this is truly mind boggling!

Seriously, who cares what accent his father has? It's 2015, not 1915.

[Blackpuddin]

Oakey said:

Blackpuddin said:

Killer's father seems to have a British accent:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34421741

How... how is that possible? He's British, but he lives in America? How did he get across the Atlantic ocean!!?

This, this is truly mind boggling!

Seriously, who cares what accent his father has? It's 2015, not 1915.

Wasn't expressing any opinions there, just an observation. You or I might not be bothered but it's a fairly safe prediction that some will be.

[Oakey]

Blackpuddin said:

Wasn't expressing any opinions there, just an observation. You or I might not be bothered but it's a fairly safe prediction that some will be.

To be fair it was established a few pages back the shooter was originally born in Britain. You're right of course, some people will probably make a deal out of it.

[YankeePorker]

Funk said:

America needs to instigate gun control - we know it can work because it did in Australia.

Hell of a job that. I think that the estimate for the number of guns in the hands of the general public in the US is around 250 million. The toothpaste is well and truly out of the tube.

[s1962a]

Why isn't this guy labelled as a terrorist, rather than some lone gunman?

[Blackpuddin]

Oakey said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wasn't expressing any opinions there, just an observation. You or I might not be bothered but it's a fairly safe prediction that some will be.

To be fair it was established a few pages back the shooter was originally born in Britain. You're right of course, some people will probably make a deal out of it.

Ah sorry I didn't see that on a cursory flick through.

[bstb3]

s1962a said:

Why isn't this guy labelled as a terrorist, rather than some lone gunman?

Was there some political / religious belief he was trying to impose by virtue of fear of further attacks by others, or simply a pissed off loner? If it's the latter there's your answer

[Funk]

YankeePorker said:

Funk said:

America needs to instigate gun control - we know it can work because it did in Australia.

Hell of a job that. I think that the estimate for the number of guns in the hands of the general public in the US is around 250 million. The toothpaste is well and truly out of the tube.

So then they shouldn't even try?

[anonymous-user]

s1962a said:

Why isn't this guy labelled as a terrorist, rather than some lone gunman?

Not this again.
I'm a Muslim and I am sick of hearing this.

[Funk]

GravelMachineGun said:

s1962a said:

Why isn't this guy labelled as a terrorist, rather than some lone gunman?

Not this again.
I'm a Muslim and I am sick of hearing this.

Wasn't his aim to create terror through a twisted ideology based on mental issues. Remind me what that seems akin to..?

Why was the mass-shooting of innocent people in Paris a terror attack and the mass-shooting of innocent college students in Oregon not?

[Bluebarge]

Funk said:

Wasn't his aim to create terror through a twisted ideology based on mental issues. Remind me what that seems akin to..?

Why was the mass-shooting of innocent people in Paris a terror attack and the mass-shooting of innocent college students in Oregon not?

Because terrorists usually come from an organised group who are using terror to further their ends. A loner shooting people for his own kicks is not a terrorist. A murderer, certainly.

[anonymous-user]

Funk said:

GravelMachineGun said:

s1962a said:

Why isn't this guy labelled as a terrorist, rather than some lone gunman?

Not this again.
I'm a Muslim and I am sick of hearing this.

Wasn't his aim to create terror through a twisted ideology based on mental issues. Remind me what that seems akin to..?

Why was the mass-shooting of innocent people in Paris a terror attack and the mass-shooting of innocent college students in Oregon not?

What was this guys twistd ideology?.......

[Funk]

Bluebarge said:

Funk said:

Wasn't his aim to create terror through a twisted ideology based on mental issues. Remind me what that seems akin to..?

Why was the mass-shooting of innocent people in Paris a terror attack and the mass-shooting of innocent college students in Oregon not?

Because terrorists usually come from an organised group who are using terror to further their ends. A loner shooting people for his own kicks is not a terrorist. A murderer, certainly.

Usually but not always - what about 'Lone Wolf' terrorism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism...

Wiki said:

A lone wolf or lone-wolf terrorist (also called a "stray dog")[1] is someone who commits violent acts in support of some group, movement, or ideology, but who does so alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group. Although the lone wolf prepares and acts alone, he/she may be influenced or motivated by the ideology and beliefs of an external group.

The links with the sub-human scum on 4chan who goaded him on clearly show he felt ostracised by his peers and outside of the norms of human interaction. It may be stretching it but 4chan technically are an 'organised group' who advocated his actions as a 'beta' in this situation.

[Corpulent Tosser]

YankeePorker said:

Funk said:

America needs to instigate gun control - we know it can work because it did in Australia.

Hell of a job that. I think that the estimate for the number of guns in the hands of the general public in the US is around 250 million. The toothpaste is well and truly out of the tube.

In the unlikely event of a nationwide gun control policy being passed into law it would never be implemented, too many Americans would just not declare what weapons they owned and so any amnesty during which weapons could be handed in would be at best a token effort.