CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[Cold]

johnboy1975 said:

Meanwhile, it seems we've been factchecked:

None of it happened. (College professor - US? - I think)

So that's ok then

The professor is so convinced of his stance that he's now locked his account down after his statement has been challenged.

[J210]

CDC ordered 1.8 billion worth of vaccines in June for September.

https://x.com/nataliegwinters/status/1699757657794...

[Rollin]

J210 said:

CDC ordered 1.8 billion worth of vaccines in June for September.

https://x.com/nataliegwinters/status/1699757657794...

Random document screenshot form Steve Bannon's mate.

Doesn't even say it's been ordered.

[johnboy1975]

Rollin said:

Random document screenshot form Steve Bannon's mate.

Doesn't even say it's been ordered.

"America aren't going to order any vaccines for this autumn" is quite the hot take, even for you

There's 100m over 50's America. Better order them all a shot. That's $3,000 million @ $30 a pop. $3b?? Depends if you are using 1000's of millions, which we all pretty much are these days.

Have they dropped the jab for lower age groups, or do they "recommend it but not coerce it" for those aged between 6 months to 49 years 11 months? [That's another 200m ish shots at 100% take up...say just 33% take up - that's another $2b]

$1.8b is suddenly sounding like a bargain. Although it seems Ukraine and the Green agenda are the preferred destination these days...

If you don't get your 6 month old vaccinated from Covid, are you an antivaxxer? (Is it still on their vaccination schedule?)

[Welcome.]

How many have the uk ordered?

[jameswills]

We will have to consult with Lord Sir Van Tam of new Moderna fame, sure he can give us a discount

[paulguitar]

jameswills said:

We will have to consult with Lord Sir Van Tam of new Moderna fame, sure he can give us a discount

Do I detect a teeny bit of cynicism in that post?

[bodhi]

paulguitar said:

Do you think it could be that most people think that now the threat from COVID is much reduced from the time of the introduction of those measures (whether ultimately they were successful or not) and that's why they no longer are being taken?

I think for the bulk of the country that's entirely accurate - and indeed very welcome also. Sadly there do seem to be one or two pockets of Zero COVID loons out there who would love nothing more to bring it all back, however I am also happy to see they are being roundly ignored - over here anyway.

[paulguitar]

bodhi said:

paulguitar said:

Do you think it could be that most people think that now the threat from COVID is much reduced from the time of the introduction of those measures (whether ultimately they were successful or not) and that's why they no longer are being taken?

I think for the bulk of the country that's entirely accurate - and indeed very welcome also. Sadly there do seem to be one or two pockets of Zero COVID loons out there who would love nothing more to bring it all back, however I am also happy to see they are being roundly ignored - over here anyway.

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

[bodhi]

paulguitar said:

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

That's all very good to hear, I can't begin to imagine what a PITA that would have been in your line of work.

It does seem on the whole though nature is healing apart from the odd holdout - however I suspect the reason all the madness keeps getting raised is to make sure things are a bit more sensible next time. More focused protection, less protection via pork pie would be nice for a start

[Ashfordian]

paulguitar said:

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

Your ignorance does not match what is on the front page of the BBC UK news page - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66750359

28 cases concentrated in the most vulnerable of society and yet no deaths. But the authorities can't bring themselves to say this latest variant is a nothingberger and finally admit Covid is over. They do use the story as a fear mechanism to push people to get jabs, which is an odd position to take right now as if you get the jab this week, any benefits you may get will be gone by Xmas when you still have at least 2 further months of the worst of the virus season ahead of you

[paulguitar]

Ashfordian said:

paulguitar said:

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

Your ignorance does not match what is on the front page of the BBC UK news page - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66750359

28 cases concentrated in the most vulnerable of society and yet no deaths. But the authorities can't bring themselves to say this latest variant is a nothingberger and finally admit Covid is over. They do use the story as a fear mechanism to push people to get jabs, which is an odd position to take right now as if you get the jab this week, any benefits you may get will be gone by Xmas when you still have at least 2 further months of the worst of the virus season ahead of you

I've reported what the situation is where I am at the moment. What is 'my ignorance' supposed to be here?

[Alex_225]

jshell said:

Not sure if it's of interest, but I had a chat over dinner with someone who was part of the team that wrote the Scottish Govt Pandemic Response documents. He, and his wife, are full on jabbed-up, Covidians. Whilst talking about the whole Covid response rubbish, he mentioned that he could't understand why, when the pandemic hit that the all of the response work was abandoned by the Scottish Govt and a totally different route taken. My question of: 'doesn't that actually make you think?', illicited no more than a blank look.

I like the word 'Covidians' and interestingly my ex partner and her husband were so invested in the whole Covid situation it was bordering hysterical. I'd call up to speak to my daughter and all I ever heard in the background was the news and how many people had died etc.

They are practically kicking the door down for the next jab when it's due. I've not had the conversation and likely never will but I'd loved to ask if they feel a bit duped by it. I know of other people who have felt that and the way things died down and measures changed after people felt forced to have the jab and so on. Now it all feels a little bit for nothing.

I guess some people won't ever question things that are official. If it's on the BBC news that is what you believe and no reason to question.

[survivalist]

RemarkLima said:

James6112 said:

In fairness, as proved by this thread, a small number of people in the UK had to be treated like infants.
Some countries, such as Sweden, did not have to treat their folk like children.
They didn’t whine & whinge but took sensible steps themselves, without being man-babies.

It’s all a distant memory now.
Onwards & upwards.

I think that's slightly disingenuous. Given the very high compliance levels in the UK, before restrictions were enforced, I'd think that most people would follow the rules. In the same way that everyone drives on the left and gives way at roundabouts.

I'm sure even in Sweden, "a small number of people" also didn't follow the rules. But it's a small number of people, so surely on a statistical level, really doesn't matter?

Quite. Speaking to a number of Swedish colleagues and friends at the time, their main observation was that their media weren’t whipping up a frenzy and their government took a measured approach and looked at a balance social, health and economic impact.

Let’s not forget we were following a similar path to Sweden until the media and twitter groups started getting hysterical.

[Elysium]

paulguitar said:

bodhi said:

paulguitar said:

Do you think it could be that most people think that now the threat from COVID is much reduced from the time of the introduction of those measures (whether ultimately they were successful or not) and that's why they no longer are being taken?

I think for the bulk of the country that's entirely accurate - and indeed very welcome also. Sadly there do seem to be one or two pockets of Zero COVID loons out there who would love nothing more to bring it all back, however I am also happy to see they are being roundly ignored - over here anyway.

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

COVID is definitely about at the moment. I am surprised that quite a few people stil seem to be testing and so know that their sniffle is actually due to SARS-CoV-2. But I am also cheered by the number that realise ongoing testing is rather pointless as there is nothing we can do about it.

So far so good. Long may it continue.

[survivalist]

Elysium said:

paulguitar said:

bodhi said:

paulguitar said:

Do you think it could be that most people think that now the threat from COVID is much reduced from the time of the introduction of those measures (whether ultimately they were successful or not) and that's why they no longer are being taken?

I think for the bulk of the country that's entirely accurate - and indeed very welcome also. Sadly there do seem to be one or two pockets of Zero COVID loons out there who would love nothing more to bring it all back, however I am also happy to see they are being roundly ignored - over here anyway.

I'm in the UK at the moment, little evidence around where I am of any COVID stuff. I see the occasional person in a mask, and from time to time a bin with an old sticker on it advising something about distancing.

When I return to the cruise ship life I also hear that all COVID stuff is over. So no two week 'quarantine' upon arrival, hurrah!

COVID is definitely about at the moment. I am surprised that quite a few people stil seem to be testing and so know that their sniffle is actually due to SARS-CoV-2. But I am also cheered by the number that realise ongoing testing is rather pointless as there is nothing we can do about it.

So far so good. Long may it continue.

I was in Canada for work in July. Mix of Europeans, Canadians and US attendees. Everyone got ill and all of those testing got a positive Covid result.

Once the 4 days of meetings finished we all got on our planes and flew home (apart from the few locals).

Can’t see the point in testing if you’re not going to change behaviour as a result.

[deeps]

Just wondered what this thread thinks of Dr John Campbell?

As another Covid Jab roll-out possibly approaches, the data reveal some clear facts - ongoing excess deaths (non covid) are running around 10% high in wealthy countries that had a high uptake of Covid 'vaccination'. In less wealthy countries that did not 'vaccinate' heavily, excess deaths are normal or below average.

Interested to hear opinions. Here's the short video with data...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naopp_KF678

[R Mutt]

Elysium said:

COVID is definitely about at the moment. I am surprised that quite a few people stil seem to be testing and so know that their sniffle is actually due to SARS-CoV-2. But I am also cheered by the number that realise ongoing testing is rather pointless as there is nothing we can do about it.

So far so good. Long may it continue.

Don't forget Plague and Spanish flu firmly still about AKA endemic

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Elysium said:

COVID is definitely about at the moment. I am surprised that quite a few people stil seem to be testing and so know that their sniffle is actually due to SARS-CoV-2. But I am also cheered by the number that realise ongoing testing is rather pointless as there is nothing we can do about it.

So far so good. Long may it continue.

But it won't. It will continue until, for whatever reaeon those in power think it is to their advantage to start it up again.

[johnboy1975]

deeps said:

Just wondered what this thread thinks of Dr John Campbell?

As another Covid Jab roll-out possibly approaches, the data reveal some clear facts - ongoing excess deaths (non covid) are running around 10% high in wealthy countries that had a high uptake of Covid 'vaccination'. In less wealthy countries that did not 'vaccinate' heavily, excess deaths are normal or below average.

Interested to hear opinions. Here's the short video with data...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naopp_KF678

Not sure if the data is cherry picked? No mention of Sweden on the early graphs, or first few minutes of video. Sweden are highly vaxxed and with low excess deaths.

He also says Denmark excess is high at 5%, which would be a dream for most. (And within tolerance?)

We've had this argument before, lockdowns / withdrawal of NHS access, covid itself or vaccines. I'm not convinced it's the vaccines, more a combination of the first two IMO. Which correlates with Swedish data who did "light touch" lockdowns. Although that might rule out long term covid problems as a cause, as presumably they've all contracted it by now?

Further thought, it might not be "heavily vaccinated western country's" vs "third world sans vaccination". But simply "1st world vs 3rd", as in the main the first world live long enough for things like Corona viruses to be a problem