Iran - Israel War

[Hippea]

Seems to be over before it began

[RATATTAK]

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

I would guess the RAF are over Jordan with their permission.

[skwdenyer]

Scrimpton said:

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

Good point, London and the UK has never been targeted before, best not annoy them.

But what do we gain by defending Israel?

[_Al_]

Hippea said:

Seems to be over before it began

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

[S100HP]

Some Gump said:

Bombs over Baghdad?

The Zack de la Rocha remix is a special thing

https://open.spotify.com/track/3j9t0h7eJBxvH9yVUt3...

[eharding]

skwdenyer said:

Scrimpton said:

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

Good point, London and the UK has never been targeted before, best not annoy them.

But what do we gain by defending Israel?

Live-fire weapons training for the aircrew.

[Scrimpton]

skwdenyer said:

Scrimpton said:

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

Good point, London and the UK has never been targeted before, best not annoy them.

But what do we gain by defending Israel?

Helping the good guys against a medieval theocracy.

[isaldiri]

_Al_ said:

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

Well, it was an Israeli air strike on the Iran embassy that killed some important people that was the direct trigger for this so if the Iranians mainly target military bases especially in occupied territories then it doesn't exactly seem entirely disproportionate a response tbh.

[Hippea]

Oh great…

[Gareth79]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Watching the drones arrive on telegram and sky news I cant help thinking why isn't iron dome blowing them out of the sky.

Apparently Iron Dome has only more recently been able to deal with drones, it was originally intended for detecting, predicting and intercepting missiles, which is somewhat different from a much slower, flatter, and potentially steerable target. I don't think its success against drones has been thoroughly tested out just a few so far.

[eharding]

S100HP said:

The Zack de la Rocha remix is a special thing

https://open.spotify.com/track/3j9t0h7eJBxvH9yVUt3...

Not a genre I generally enjoy, but that *is* rather good.

[anonymous-user]

Price of petrol to go up an extra 20p a litre on Monday.

[_Al_]

isaldiri said:

_Al_ said:

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

Well, it was an Israeli air strike on the Iran embassy that killed some important people that was the direct trigger for this so if the Iranians mainly target military bases especially in occupied territories then it doesn't exactly seem entirely disproportionate a response tbh.

Do you think for a fraction of a second that Israel are going to see it that way?

[ruggedscotty]

US Embassy have requested all Americans to take shelter in Israel and to stay sheltered until further notice.

00:23 breaking news Sky

[Sheets Tabuer]

https://t.me/combatfootageua/15043

[Some Gump]

Gareth79 said:

Apparently Iron Dome has only more recently been able to deal with drones, it was originally intended for detecting, predicting and intercepting missiles, which is somewhat different from a much slower, flatter, and potentially steerable target. I don't think its success against drones has been thoroughly tested out just a few so far.

..But will it be? These drones have an alleged several hours in the sky before reaching their target. Surely that's intercept by whatever the yiddish is for Maverick and Goose, not a line of last defense missile intercept system?

[skwdenyer]

_Al_ said:

isaldiri said:

_Al_ said:

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

Well, it was an Israeli air strike on the Iran embassy that killed some important people that was the direct trigger for this so if the Iranians mainly target military bases especially in occupied territories then it doesn't exactly seem entirely disproportionate a response tbh.

Do you think for a fraction of a second that Israel are going to see it that way?

Of course they won’t. Which is why we shouldn’t support them. There’s no right side here.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Sheets Tabuer said:

https://t.me/combatfootageua/15043

Oh man.

What's the US response going to be?

[isaldiri]

_Al_ said:

isaldiri said:

_Al_ said:

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

Well, it was an Israeli air strike on the Iran embassy that killed some important people that was the direct trigger for this so if the Iranians mainly target military bases especially in occupied territories then it doesn't exactly seem entirely disproportionate a response tbh.

Do you think for a fraction of a second that Israel are going to see it that way?

Clearly not as the Israelis believe only they should be able to strike at anyone they like with impunity.

However, even Israel can't seriously have imagined the iranians would not respond so unless they really think they can drag the US into doing the bulk of the nasty business of attacking Iran in a full on 'hot' war, it's probably in no one's interest to let things get worse and not just call it somewhat even until the next round if that (ie an attack on a military base) is all Iran does on this incident.

[_Al_]

isaldiri said:

_Al_ said:

isaldiri said:

_Al_ said:

Depends. If one missile (Israel have now confirmed missiles as well as drones) hit a military base off camera and killed someone important then the response may be every bit as dangerous as tonight’s (attempted?) strike.

Well, it was an Israeli air strike on the Iran embassy that killed some important people that was the direct trigger for this so if the Iranians mainly target military bases especially in occupied territories then it doesn't exactly seem entirely disproportionate a response tbh.

Do you think for a fraction of a second that Israel are going to see it that way?

Clearly not as the Israelis believe only they should be able to strike at anyone they like with impunity.

However, even Israel can't seriously have imagined the iranians would not respond so unless they really think they can drag the US into doing the bulk of the nasty business of attacking Iran in a full on 'hot' war, it's probably in no one's interest to let things get worse and not just call it somewhat even until the next round if that (ie an attack on a military base) is all Iran does on this incident.

You’re talking about who is right about what from what perspective? Seems somewhat irrelevant at this point: weapons have been fired. The consequences of that will play out. Who can claim the moral high ground is academic. Israel will doubtless have know there could be military consequences but seems they’ve assessed that they can sit behind their advanced defensive systems and strike at Iran using the Iranian’s weakness in defence to extract a disproportionate toll: