Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

[samuelellis]

Countdown said:

However, if Im honest, neither I nor any of my freinds have been attacked by radical islam, been spat at, or had bricks put through our windows by radical islam.

Sadly I have,

-ive had tyres slashed as the group of youths did not like the White boy with the long hair standing up them cos they iz dem badmanz

-Ive had to stop a group of Pakistani lads trying to kick seven shades out of someone for looking at them funny

-Me and my parents have had racial abuse shouted at us

and over this last Ramadan this happened - http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=7...



BTW as i was scrubbing the stuff off my garage i had Pakistani youths shouting "Jihad Jihad 's will rule this area"

Also it was my cameras that got torn down and my paint that was used to paint over the graffiti and after all of that the Pakistani councellor who roped other kids into painting the graffiti off other properties then phoned my parents and said that they had rasied such a calm collected tollerant son and if only other people were half as tollerant as me

Edited by samuelellis on Saturday 29th September 12:27

[zcacogp]

Countdown said:

However, if Im honest, neither I nor any of my freinds have been attacked by radical islam, been spat at, or had bricks put through our windows by radical islam.

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?


Oli.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

I'm not sure why people assume the British Pakistani community is any different from any other community in the UK.

Perhaps it's due to the fact that our cultures and values are totally different and entirely incompatible.

[skinley]

zcacogp said:

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?


Oli.

No. That does not surprise me at all.

[odyssey2200]

skinley said:

zcacogp said:

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?


Oli.

No. That does not surprise me at all.

Actually I think is serves to prove the point.
These people reserve their venom for the non muslims only.

[primary colours]

Countdown said:

primary colours said:

I'm not sure that practicality is the issue, once vigilante groups are accepted as an appropriate response to a situation we open a Pandora's box and you have self-appointed 'guardians' walking the street in 'protection' of any number of perceived rights, therein lies complete anarchy.

That is effectively what I meant about practicality. It would be stupid to have such vigilante groups roaming around, especially "single issue" groups with their own interests.

primary colours said:

This really needs a shift within the communitiy's harbouring these vile creatures. Those upright and decent members of the community who purport to be appalled by these activities have to come out of the closet and stand firm against the minority of their compatriots who are dragging their culture through the mire, naming, shaming and alienating the perpetrators. The problem with the silent majority are that they are exactly that - silent.

I've made this point before and I'll say it again. These "people" don't flaunt their actions except within a small like-minded group. I'm not sure why people assume the British Pakistani community is any different from any other community in the UK. The decent majority will not associate knowingly with criminals.

Let me turn it around. I assume your white British - do you know who your local paedophiles are? Are you "tolerating" them? Do you secretly blame the girls for being cheap trash?

I'll give you an example - I know somebody who's married but has a white girlfriend. The rumour is he also deals in "drugs" (don't know what kind, probably marijuana, or maybe something worse). I don't mix with him at all but, for all I know, he might be involved in serious crime. Given that all I have is suspicions and rumour what do I "report" him for? If it was a white guy what would you do?

Personally every single muslim I mix with would quite happily see these scumballs castrated on Pay per View TV. They deserve nothing less, and I'm sure most PH'ers would agree. If you think the general muslim community is tolerating or even condoning this, you couldn't be more wrong.

Still, at least the closet BNP/EDL supporters have something to cheer about.

Fair point, I stand corrected.

As you say, I would hate for these examples to give any credence whatsoever to the mindless thuggery of the hard of thinking, but unless we see more condemnation from within the communitites themselves (and here I don't mean Mr Shah the neighbour, but those with a leading voice in the community) I fear that this is exactly what will happen. OK, you may point out that the media don't give these figures the airtime to condemn the practice, but it seems to me that these same communities find a route to express their displeasure about the lack of religious tolerance, or the West's intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan etc and I'm puzzled as to why they don't use these same routes to condemn activities which will drive a wedge between them and their adopted countrymen?

BTW - I'd do nothing about the drug dealer, but that's more down to my opinions on the individual's right to choose their method of self-execution than skin colour.

[Mr_B]

chris watton said:

Mr_B said:

Because nothing crushes debate like playing the race card.

I know, the question was rhetorical..

Don't worry, I did credit you with knowing.

The larger point is those who just play the race card and don't have any problem ( or should it be understanding ? ) in doing so, their thinking being it's better to crush any question of race or culture being a factor and thinking it will all be OK as long as know asks tough question on such subjects.
I dislike people who seek to do that , usually because they can see no wrong in doing so, and being sanctimonious enough to believe they are actually helping the situation.

[skinley]

primary colours said:

OK, you may point out that the media don't give these figures the airtime to condemn the practice

The BBC would absolutely love to give airtime to 'moderate muslims' and allow them to condemn their more 'radical' brothers, unfortunately there is no such thing as a moderate, or radical muslim, they are one and the same.

The lack of condemnation from the supposed 'moderates' confirms this.

Edited by skinley on Saturday 29th September 13:48

[zcacogp]

odyssey2200 said:

skinley said:

zcacogp said:

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?

No. That does not surprise me at all.

Actually I think is serves to prove the point.
These people reserve their venom for the non muslims only.

I hadn't thought of it that way but you're spot on with that.


Oli.

[PugwasHDJ80]

skinley said:

primary colours said:

OK, you may point out that the media don't give these figures the airtime to condemn the practice

The BBC would absolutely love to give airtime to 'moderate muslims' and allow them to condemn their more 'radical' brothers, unfortunately there is no such thing as a moderate, or radical muslim, they are one and the same.

The lack of condemnation from the supposed 'moderates' confirms this.

Edited by skinley on Saturday 29th September 13:48

except that's just not true- there was a phone in on radio 5 the other day, and 80% of the callers were muslim- ALL of them said they thought this was a cultural problem with new immigrants, and all of them felt they were being tarred with the same brush!

[skinley]

Radio 5 is not mainstream media, I know it's available to everyone but hardly anyone listens to it.

A five minute phone-in on a radio station that no-one listens to is not widespread condemnation.

Edited by skinley on Saturday 29th September 15:08

[Countdown]

zcacogp said:

odyssey2200 said:

skinley said:

zcacogp said:

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?

No. That does not surprise me at all.

Actually I think is serves to prove the point.
These people reserve their venom for the non muslims only.

I hadn't thought of it that way but you're spot on with that.


Oli.

Not really true to be honest. The nutters accuse moderate Muslims of being "corrupted" by the West. There HAVE been threats on Muslims who don't adopt/accept their rules.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3718...

[Countdown]

zcacogp said:

Countdown said:

However, if Im honest, neither I nor any of my freinds have been attacked by radical islam, been spat at, or had bricks put through our windows by radical islam.

Am I the only one on here to find this completely unsurprising, given that Islam is known for looking after it's own, which I understand includes you?

Oli.

In the same way I find it unsurprising that the BNP don't attack white people (unless they consider them as sell-outs). Now that doesn't mean that most white people support or condone what the BNP do, does it?

In the same vein - the fact that, other than the UAF, most white people don't join anti-BNP protest marches doesn't mean they support the BNP.

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Not really true to be honest. The nutters accuse moderate Muslims of being "corrupted" by the West. There HAVE been threats on Muslims who don't adopt/accept their rules.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3718...

Muslims threatening to kill other Muslims, just another day in the religion of peace.

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Radio 5 is not mainstream media, I know it's available to everyone but hardly anyone listens to it.

A five minute phone-in on a radio station that no-one listens to is not widespread condemnation.

Edited by skinley on Saturday 29th September 15:08

My understanding is that it's one of the most-listened to Stations.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/radio/5-live-po...

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Countdown said:

Not really true to be honest. The nutters accuse moderate Muslims of being "corrupted" by the West. There HAVE been threats on Muslims who don't adopt/accept their rules.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3718...

Muslims threatening to kill other Muslims, just another day in the religion of peace.

There's no convincing some people is there. Either ALL Muslims are bad because (apparently) we protect each other, or ALL Muslims are bad because some threaten to kill other Muslims.

Ever get the feeling that some people will hate Muslims just fir being different and use ANY excuse to justify it?

[skinley]

Countdown said:

My understanding is that it's one of the most-listened to Stations.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/radio/5-live-po...

My understanding is that you are an islamofascist apologist.

[Countdown]

skinley said:

Countdown said:

My understanding is that it's one of the most-listened to Stations.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/radio/5-live-po...

My understanding is that you are an islamofascist apologist.

Run out of paper tigers?

[7mike]

Countdown said:

Not really true to be honest. The nutters accuse moderate Muslims of being "corrupted" by the West. There HAVE been threats on Muslims who don't adopt/accept their rules.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3718...

Just had a look at that poster. Living in East lancashire & looking at all the activities they want to ban, they'd bankrupt half the population up here (Muslim or otherwise).

[skinley]

Countdown said:

Run out of paper tigers?

Yes. I'll just have to use my left hand.