Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

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NoNeed

15,137 posts

202 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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While we are on the subject does anybody know what proportion of governme t revenue comes from income tax? They have so many revenue streams now, but I don't ever remember seeing a figure for this

otolith

56,688 posts

206 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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NoNeed said:
While we are on the subject does anybody know what proportion of governme t revenue comes from income tax? They have so many revenue streams now, but I don't ever remember seeing a figure for this
https://www.ukpublicrevenue.co.uk/

technodup

7,585 posts

132 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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irocfan said:
Europa1 said:
That sounds a lot like the Community Charge. Wasn't exactly popular when it was introduced.
I read this and my first thought was "poll tax". Good idea then, good idea now
It's an inherently fair system. More people use more services therefore pay more tax.

The problem with it (well apart form the the people who don't like being made to pay fairly for what they use) is collection. People move around, houses tend not to.



pingu393

8,056 posts

207 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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technodup said:
irocfan said:
Europa1 said:
That sounds a lot like the Community Charge. Wasn't exactly popular when it was introduced.
I read this and my first thought was "poll tax". Good idea then, good idea now
It's an inherently fair system. More people use more services therefore pay more tax.

The problem with it (well apart form the the people who don't like being made to pay fairly for what they use) is collection. People move around, houses tend not to.
I know that it's a "No representation without taxation" thing, but if you are registered to vote, you should pay. Everyone who is registered to vote has an address. It doesn't take a very complicated database to work out the details.

The skanks who aren't registered won't pay, but then again, they won't get a vote. Guaranteed Tory government forever.

Oilchange

8,525 posts

262 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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Hereward said:
What is it with Corbyn's utter obsession with Israel/Palestine anyway?
There are probably more non Jewish people in Britain that can secure more seats come a GE if he sides with them.
I suspect it is as mercenary as that.

AstonZagato

12,778 posts

212 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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I saw a Times article today claiming that a former Klu Klux Klan Grand Wizard was impressed with Corbyn. "[He] praised the election of Jeremy Corbyn to the Labour leadership as a sign that people were recognising “Zionist power” and “Jewish establishment power”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/former-kkk...

Not often a Labour leader gets the endorsement of a former KKK Grand Wizard. I wonder if Jeremy is pleased?

D-Angle

4,468 posts

244 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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Oilchange said:
Hereward said:
What is it with Corbyn's utter obsession with Israel/Palestine anyway?
There are probably more non Jewish people in Britain that can secure more seats come a GE if he sides with them.
I suspect it is as mercenary as that.
Israel/Palestine is a pet topic for the kind of people who clog your Facebook feed with "Global Elite! Rothschilds! Media Conspiracy!" etc. Corbyn is one of these people, plain and simple.

He doesn't do anything with the intention of winning votes. He just expects everyone to vote for him.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

166 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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D-Angle said:
Israel/Palestine is a pet topic for the kind of people who clog your Facebook feed with "Global Elite! Rothschilds! Media Conspiracy!" etc. Corbyn is one of these people, plain and simple.

He doesn't do anything with the intention of winning votes. He just expects everyone to vote for him.
You had me at "doesn't do anything" in his 35 years as an MP what exactly has he done with his time to the benefit of his constituents or to his Country ?.

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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Corbyn has written an article on anti-semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug...

It was going so well...until the second paragraph.

Jeremy Corbyn said:
So no one can, or should, try to dismiss or belittle the concerns expressed by so many Jewish people and organisations about what has been happening in the party I am proud to lead.

I do not for one moment accept that a Labour government would represent any kind of threat, let alone an “existential threat”, to Jewish life in Britain, as three Jewish newspapers recently claimed.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

202 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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avinalarf

6,438 posts

144 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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I don't think the majority of Jews now care to listen to JC anymore,or those that support him in Momentum and the Labour Party,over the antisemitism issue.
I have listened to a lot of radio broadcasts on the subject and those that support his views still do so vehemently.
If he and they sincerely believe that their position on Israel is right then they should maintain their position as too much water has flown under that bridge.
At least we know once and for all what we are dealing with.
It would be disingenuous of JC to adopt the charter on Israel when he obviously has a problem with it.
It has got to a position where if JC remains as leader and Labour loses an election then it will be blamed on the Jews and you will hear the usual tropes that Jews control the media etc.etc.
There could well be a much more sinister agenda going on.
That is that JC and his supporters know that they will gain many votes of those that buy into antisemitic tropes.

Edited by avinalarf on Friday 3rd August 21:29

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

79 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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avinalarf said:
I don't think the majority of Jews now care to listen to JC anymore,or those that support him in Momentum and the Labour Party,over the antisemitism issue.
I have listened to a lot of radio broadcasts on the subject and those that support his views still do so vehemently.
If he and they sincerely believe that their position on Israel is right then they should maintain their position as too much water has flown under that bridge.
At least we know once and for all what we are dealing with.
It would be disingenuous of JC to adopt the charter on Israel when he obviously has a problem with it.
It has got to a position where if JC remains as leader and Labour loses an election then it will be blamed on the Jews and you will hear the usual tropes that Jews control the media etc.etc.
There could well be a much more sinister agenda going on.
That is that JC and his supporters know that they will gain many Muslim votes plus the votes of those that buy into antisemitic tropes.
This

alfabadass

1,852 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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If only all organisations put as much effort into fighting Racism as Labour have in dealing with a niche problem like Anti-Semetism.

I guess Anti-Semetism is suffered by white folk while racism is for darkies.

Sad.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

144 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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alfabadass said:
If only all organisations put as much effort into fighting Racism as Labour have in dealing with a niche problem like Anti-Semetism.

I guess Anti-Semetism is suffered by white folk while racism is for darkies.

Sad.
What is a "darkie" .....Alf ?

p.s. I suggest a change of your nickname,to alfagarnetbadass.




Edited by avinalarf on Friday 3rd August 20:08

Russian Troll Bot

25,024 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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davepoth said:
Corbyn has written an article on anti-semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug...

It was going so well...until the second paragraph.

Jeremy Corbyn said:
So no one can, or should, try to dismiss or belittle the concerns expressed by so many Jewish people and organisations about what has been happening in the party I am proud to lead.

I do not for one moment accept that a Labour government would represent any kind of threat, let alone an “existential threat”, to Jewish life in Britain, as three Jewish newspapers recently claimed.
Parts of it have been copy pasted from the article he wrote in the Standard back in April

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/jeremy-...

avinalarf

6,438 posts

144 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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Russian Troll Bot said:
davepoth said:
Corbyn has written an article on anti-semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug...

It was going so well...until the second paragraph.

Jeremy Corbyn said:
So no one can, or should, try to dismiss or belittle the concerns expressed by so many Jewish people and organisations about what has been happening in the party I am proud to lead.

I do not for one moment accept that a Labour government would represent any kind of threat, let alone an “existential threat”, to Jewish life in Britain, as three Jewish newspapers recently claimed.
Parts of it have been copy pasted from the article he wrote in the Standard back in April

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/jeremy-...
He's a devious bd....
" let alone an "existential threat", to JEWISH LIFE IN BRITAIN
Why didn't he carry on with the words...".but the Jews in Israel can go feck themselves"
Is any one seriously telling me that he doesn't know the implication of what he is saying.


otolith

56,688 posts

206 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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alfabadass said:
If only all organisations put as much effort into fighting Racism as Labour have in dealing with a niche problem like Anti-Semetism.

I guess Anti-Semetism is suffered by white folk while racism is for darkies.

Sad.
If only Labour put as much effort into fighting this form of racism as others, they would not be in this mess.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

144 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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otolith said:
alfabadass said:
If only all organisations put as much effort into fighting Racism as Labour have in dealing with a niche problem like Anti-Semetism.

I guess Anti-Semetism is suffered by white folk while racism is for darkies.

Sad.
If only Labour put as much effort into fighting this form of racism as others, they would not be in this mess.
JC...Momentum and their supporters have put racism against Jews back a generation or more.
I want to live in a World where people are judged as individuals regardless of colour,ethnicity.religion etc.
When and if those individuals do wrong , call them out.
There are good and bad in all the tribes of humanity but we will only continue this spiral of hatred and oppression by devisive speech and lazy, dangerous generalisations that are encouraged by JC and his ilk.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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avinalarf said:
otolith said:
alfabadass said:
If only all organisations put as much effort into fighting Racism as Labour have in dealing with a niche problem like Anti-Semetism.

I guess Anti-Semetism is suffered by white folk while racism is for darkies.

Sad.
If only Labour put as much effort into fighting this form of racism as others, they would not be in this mess.
JC...Momentum and their supporters have put racism against Jews back a generation or more.
I want to live in a World where people are judged as individuals regardless of colour,ethnicity.religion etc.
When and if those individuals do wrong , call them out.
There are good and bad in all the tribes of humanity but we will only continue this spiral of hatred and oppression by devisive speech and lazy, dangerous generalisations that are encouraged by JC and his ilk.
I have never understood why some feel that selective racism is just fine and dandy, racism is racism, and some of the detritus on the left are every bit as appalling as those on the far right. Two sides of the same dirty arse.

alfabadass

1,852 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd August 2018
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Tell that to the Jewish community who are making life unbareable for other minorities because they cant handle criticism of Israel...a country a billion miles away.
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