The 'No to the EU' campaign

[jjlynn27]

Funkycoldribena said:

If they were non-existent we'd have all our money in the first place.

And? They are there, we are in EU for now, so we should make the best of current situation, rather than wishing for something that's currently not realistic.
Back to the signs, unfortunately I don't qualify to put up the sign in exchange for e50k .

[Scuffers]

jjlynn27 said:

And? They are there, we are in EU for now, so we should make the best of current situation, rather than wishing for something that's currently not realistic.

what's "Not Realistic" about BREXIT?

[jjlynn27]

Scuffers said:

jjlynn27 said:

And? They are there, we are in EU for now, so we should make the best of current situation, rather than wishing for something that's currently not realistic.

what's "Not Realistic" about BREXIT?

Your inability to understand the words 'current' and 'currently'.

Brexit, at the earliest, would happen in 2018, following the referendum in 2017. That's a considerable amount of time, that could be spent recording youtube videos for fans, or trying to get as much money/favours/concessions or whatever else, in return for considerable perks.

[Scuffers]

Oh dear.....

Somebody else want to have a go?

looseing the will to live.....

[alfie2244]

Scuffers said:

Oh dear.....

Somebody else want to have a go?

looseing the will to live.....

Some may wonder whether he is funded by the EU and has a 300x300mm sign (slightly larger than a4) in his front garden.

[jjlynn27]

alfie2244 said:

Some may wonder whether he is funded by the EU and has a 300x300mm sign (slightly larger than a4) in his front garden.

For that kind of dosh on offer, I'd have 3.

[alfie2244]

jjlynn27 said:

alfie2244 said:

Some may wonder whether he is funded by the EU and has a 300x300mm sign (slightly larger than a4) in his front garden.

For that kind of dosh on offer, I'd have 3.

[RYH64E]

I guess this is something else that will be dismissed with a 'they don't really mean it' statement by those who want out.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/29/us...

US trade representative said:

We’re not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We’re building platforms … that other countries can join over time.“

If Britain left the EU, Froman said, it would face the same tariffs and trade barriers as other countries outside the US free trade network.

“We have no FTA with the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs – and other trade-related measures – as China, or Brazil or India,” he said.

[turbobloke]

So Chile, Morocco, S Korea, Oman (etc) can do it but we can't? Victor Meldrew doesn't believe it.

The comment was nothing more than a procudural obviousness. Leave EU, get FTA in the process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154

BO is helping the scaremongering In crowd, no more no less.

Obama supports the EU as a typical big government ideologue would. However the over-promoted hapless POTUS will be gone before we could get a Brexit, all change!

[Scuffers]

RYH64E said:

I guess this is something else that will be dismissed with a 'they don't really mean it' statement by those who want out.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/29/us...

US trade representative said:

We’re not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We’re building platforms … that other countries can join over time.“

If Britain left the EU, Froman said, it would face the same tariffs and trade barriers as other countries outside the US free trade network.

“We have no FTA with the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs – and other trade-related measures – as China, or Brazil or India,” he said.

you do realise the EU does not have a free trade deal with the US now don't you?

Or are you suggesting that once TTIP is adopted, suddenly a BREXIT UK would be screwed?

(some are suggesting that with TTIP we would be screwed...)

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

So Chile, Morocco, S Korea, Oman (etc) can do it but we can't? Victor Meldrew doesn't believe it.

The comment was nothing more than a procudural obviousness. Leave EU, get FTA in the process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154

BO is helping the scaremongering In crowd, no more no less.

Obama supports the EU as a typical big government ideologue would. However the over-promoted hapless POTUS will be gone before we could get a Brexit, all change!

But ukip and their supporters make it sound like post brexit it'd be

YOU GET AN FTA
AND YOU GET AN FTA
AND YOU GET AN FTA

Whereas in reality if Britain could negotiate a single fta in the two years following the referendum it'd be doing very very well and if 5 were in place in ten years it'd be amazing-they take ages to develop.

[PRTVR]

I see Cameron has to go to Brussels to see if he can help the steel industry, this is a major problem for the UK, we are basically far to honest, other countries find ways to do what is required, where as we follow the rules, time to get out and only have rules that we dictate, anybody know of the number of steel jobs lost in the last year in the rest of the EU compared to the UK?

[turbobloke]

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

So Chile, Morocco, S Korea, Oman (etc) can do it but we can't? Victor Meldrew doesn't believe it.

The comment was nothing more than a procudural obviousness. Leave EU, get FTA in the process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154

BO is helping the scaremongering In crowd, no more no less.

Obama supports the EU as a typical big government ideologue would. However the over-promoted hapless POTUS will be gone before we could get a Brexit, all change!

But ukip and their supporters make it sound like post brexit it'd be

YOU GET AN FTA
AND YOU GET AN FTA
AND YOU GET AN FTA

Whereas in reality if Britain could negotiate a single fta in the two years following the referendum it'd be doing very very well and if 5 were in place in ten years it'd be amazing-they take ages to develop.

Does the EU have a FTA with China? Does the UK trade with China with the UK in the EU?

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2015/01/14/should-the...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-china-ag...

Froman is a Democrat government lackey, he and Obama go back a long way. When Clinton left office, Froman left the US Treasury. When Obama ran for office, Froman joined his campaign team. With Obama in office, Froman rejoined the government in a national security role. In 2013 after Obama was re-elected in 2012 he was nominated for the trade role. He's dancing to Obama's tune and joining in with the only In strategy there is - scaremongering.

[turbobloke]

cookie118 said:

Whereas in reality if Britain could negotiate a single fta in the two years following the referendum it'd be doing very very well and if 5 were in place in ten years it'd be amazing-they take ages to develop.

Amazingly the estimated timescale for negotiations and re-negotiations to effectively conclude after a Brexit is about ten years. Not that everything is on hold in the interim.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b8441622-1a6a-11e5-8201-...

The latest scaremongering is as naff as the earlier scaremongering and trade would not stop whatever the doom-mongers might try to claim.

[FiF]

Flexcit has just been revised and it's nothing to do with UKIP. Offers a sensible route to out with various options. Significant that the other out groups keep nicking ideas from it and claiming them as their own. Also of note is that even Cameron seems to be concentrating on trying to discredit one of the options which demonstrates the uselessness of the EU.

It's quite amusing that some of the Remainders, as I am going to refer to them from now, rather that argue facts just seem to have a chant of "ooh scary big world, fud, fud, fud, ukip, kippers." Pathetic.

That's not saying the ukip are helping in any way on this as by the grunting of some of their supporters does harm to the Leavers cause simply due to the nature of the messages.

[RYH64E]

Scuffers said:

you do realise the EU does not have a free trade deal with the US now don't you?

Or are you suggesting that once TTIP is adopted, suddenly a BREXIT UK would be screwed?

(some are suggesting that with TTIP we would be screwed...)

I'm suggesting that negotiating free trade agreements with other trading nations might not be as straight forward as suggested.

I can see the debate getting very 'SNP', whereby the out side make all kinds of outlandish reassurances and claims despite protestations to the contrary from those with whom we would be negotiating post Brexit.

[turbobloke]

RYH64E said:

Scuffers said:

you do realise the EU does not have a free trade deal with the US now don't you?

Or are you suggesting that once TTIP is adopted, suddenly a BREXIT UK would be screwed?

(some are suggesting that with TTIP we would be screwed...)

I'm suggesting that negotiating free trade agreements with other trading nations might not be as straight forward as suggested.

I can see the debate getting very 'SNP', whereby the out side make all kinds of outlandish reassurances and claims despite protestations to the contrary from those with whom we would be negotiating post Brexit.

The In/No angle isn't getting very anything or going anywhere: it was baseless scaremongering, it still is, and won't change. The USA FTA line is Obama ramping the EU via a puppet (but no USA FTA with EU yet) and Obama will be gone soon.

[vonuber]

turbobloke said:

So Chile, Morocco, S Korea, Oman (etc) can do it but we can't? Victor Meldrew doesn't believe it.

The comment was nothing more than a procudural obviousness. Leave EU, get FTA in the process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33647154

BO is helping the scaremongering In crowd, no more no less.

Obama supports the EU as a typical big government ideologue would. However the over-promoted hapless POTUS will be gone before we could get a Brexit, all change!

I thought you refused to use the BBC at all?

[SilverSixer]

turbobloke said:

The In/No angle

In/No?

From the Daily Telegraph, 27th May 2015: "Downing Street has disclosed that Britons will be asked in the referendum if they wish to “remain a member of the European Union”

In what way can "In/No" be presented as an answer?

Evidently your side of the argument can't even be straight about the question, what chance have you got of convincing us you're straight about the answer?

[Einion Yrth]

SilverSixer said:

turbobloke said:

The In/No angle

In/No?

From the Daily Telegraph, 27th May 2015: "Downing Street has disclosed that Britons will be asked in the referendum if they wish to “remain a member of the European Union”

In what way can "In/No" be presented as an answer?

Evidently your side of the argument can't even be straight about the question, what chance have you got of convincing us you're straight about the answer?

And yours apparently can't even be bothered to keep up with the question.