Reform UK - A symptom of all that is wrong?
Discussion
Kermit power said:
How do you square that view with the fact that the average prison sentence in England & Wales increased from 11.4 months in 2000 to 22.6 months in 2022?
Could be many reasons.Less space for petty criminals.
They're being lenient as they know we're over crowded.
Perhaps there's been sudden a change in the types of crimes being committed.
Seems a strange and fairly empty point to make, as there's simply too much we don't know.
Vanden Saab said:
Because your description of them as poorly educated is b
ks. You know that but keep repeating it. Put a 60 year old up against a 21 year old in a basic education test and the 60 year old will piss all over your university student. Only 10% of people went to university in the 70s compared to today it is a really poor marker of education level.
Don't agree with that but it's possibly a different topic.ks. You know that but keep repeating it. Put a 60 year old up against a 21 year old in a basic education test and the 60 year old will piss all over your university student. Only 10% of people went to university in the 70s compared to today it is a really poor marker of education level.Tbf I don't think all reform supporters are poorly educated, but I do remain baffled by their being triggered by what I see as obvious distractions - beyond racism.
One of my friends who constantly share this stuff on his FB profile has a Japanese wife and they both emigrated to Australia and have led extraordinarily successful and fortunate lives, yet he is completely triggered by the bats
t right wing stuff. He did not have a University education but he's a very accomplished man.I cannot understand it, apart from the rather obvious.
Dagnir said:
Kermit power said:
How do you square that view with the fact that the average prison sentence in England & Wales increased from 11.4 months in 2000 to 22.6 months in 2022?
Could be many reasons.Less space for petty criminals.
They're being lenient as they know we're over crowded.
Perhaps there's been sudden a change in the types of crimes being committed.
Seems a strange and fairly empty point to make, as there's simply too much we don't know.
Vanden Saab said:
Oh wait, you are actually serious...
I don't think you're giving due thought to how bloody terrible Johnson's premiership was. It was absolutely bloody awful, it was a farce.Johnson and Corbyn were two terrible candidates and I voted for neither of them or their parties, but if you're asking me would Corbyn have been worse than Johnson I'm saying highly unlikely. Johnson was that bad.
smn159 said:
Well the Blackpool South by-election is considered to be the best chance for Reform to gain an MP, with it being said that if they can't win there they probably can't win anywhere.
The constituency is described as having an unusually high proportion of white, male, poorly educated over 60's.
Being condescending and moaning that native Brits have a different opinion to you....The constituency is described as having an unusually high proportion of white, male, poorly educated over 60's.
The salt of the earth people that literally built the country and keep it running?
Actual British men that have as much and possibly more right to vote than anyone except soldiers?
You just had to take the chance to denigrate them eh? How dare they be white and male and love their country?!
Really demonstrates how warped some progressive/Intersectional views are.
...and don't deny the tone of your post, it's plain for all to see.
heebeegeetee said:
Well Johnson partied plenty with Russians, even after their chemical attack in Salisbury and invasion of Criimea. Who knows what secrets he sold them while enobling one of them.
As said though, I think jaw jaw is better than war war (not necessarily to sell them secrets and assets though). At some point in time, you have to talk and negotiate with enemies, every time.
And, Hezbolla or Hamas is not a threat to us like Russia is imo, so perhaps the west shouldn't have kept partying with Russia after Crimea.
Russia more of a threat to the UK than radical Muslims from the Middle East?As said though, I think jaw jaw is better than war war (not necessarily to sell them secrets and assets though). At some point in time, you have to talk and negotiate with enemies, every time.
And, Hezbolla or Hamas is not a threat to us like Russia is imo, so perhaps the west shouldn't have kept partying with Russia after Crimea.
Have you been living under a rock??
This is the kind of willful blindness (insanity?) that has got us into this mess.
Vanden Saab said:
smn159 said:
bad company said:
Vanden Saab said:
smn159 said:
Vanden Saab said:
The work was done on this, the two groups planning to vote Reform are disillusioned tories and those who defected from Labour in the last few years. I would add to that those who do not normally vote but voted for Brexit but have no evidence of this past personal anecdote.
Well the Blackpool South by-election is considered to be the best chance for Reform to gain an MP, with it being said that if they can't win there they probably can't win anywhere.The constituency is described as having an unusually high proportion of white, male, poorly educated over 60's.
ks. You know that but keep repeating it. Put a 60 year old up against a 21 year old in a basic education test and the 60 year old will piss all over your university student. Only 10% of people went to university in the 70s compared to today it is a really poor marker of education level.Ignore the strawman.
He knows. We know.
Dagnir said:
smn159 said:
Well the Blackpool South by-election is considered to be the best chance for Reform to gain an MP, with it being said that if they can't win there they probably can't win anywhere.
The constituency is described as having an unusually high proportion of white, male, poorly educated over 60's.
Being condescending and moaning that native Brits have a different opinion to you....The constituency is described as having an unusually high proportion of white, male, poorly educated over 60's.
The salt of the earth people that literally built the country and keep it running?
Actual British men that have as much and possibly more right to vote than anyone except soldiers?
You just had to take the chance to denigrate them eh? How dare they be white and male and love their country?!
Really demonstrates how warped some progressive/Intersectional views are.
...and don't deny the tone of your post, it's plain for all to see.
Not forgetting that people in their 60s didn't get the benefit of Blair's higher education snake oil with 50% going on to university. Better educated wise youth aye
tangerine_sedge said:
Dagnir said:
Kermit power said:
How do you square that view with the fact that the average prison sentence in England & Wales increased from 11.4 months in 2000 to 22.6 months in 2022?
Could be many reasons.Less space for petty criminals.
They're being lenient as they know we're over crowded.
Perhaps there's been sudden a change in the types of crimes being committed.
Seems a strange and fairly empty point to make, as there's simply too much we don't know.
TTwiggy said:
Dagnir said:
Actual British men that have as much and possibly more right to vote than anyone except soldiers?
fk me. You got a list of people who you think these men have ‘possibly more right’ to vote than?Shall I start you off?
Women?
Young people?
Lefties?
Blacks?
Remove the relevant context and perspective, ignore the counter point being made, add in some hysteria, sprinkle with some insinuations or racism, sexism etc...
Life must be hard eh? Scary out there is it?
President Merkin said:
Interested in this, What is a better marker of education level then? You appear to be suggesting it's something other than higher education which seems to be a contradiction in terms but without specifying what that is.
If you want to use education level as a measure of intelligence, then you need to compare people in the same cohort. People at uni age in the 1970s are not in the same cohort as people today of that age. And I think everyone knows why is.snuffy said:
If you want to use education level as a measure of intelligence, then you need to compare people in the same cohort. People at uni age in the 1970s are not in the same cohort as people today of that age. And I think everyone knows why is.
Why is what?This is all very interesting but I would sooner hear from the guy punting this:
Vanden Saab said:
Put a 60 year old up against a 21 year old in a basic education test and the 60 year old will piss all over your university student. Only 10% of people went to university in the 70s compared to today it is a really poor marker of education level.
It doesn't come as a surprise to me that people who went to university in the 1970's are in a different cohort than those who went in the 1990's, this is an ocean going, visible from space truism assuming we aren't catering for timelords who can somehow manage undergraduate courses across the decades. So, ignoring the tired old Blair surf studies schtick, I'm still at answer there came none level.
Dagnir said:
TTwiggy said:
Dagnir said:
Actual British men that have as much and possibly more right to vote than anyone except soldiers?
fk me. You got a list of people who you think these men have ‘possibly more right’ to vote than?Shall I start you off?
Women?
Young people?
Lefties?
Blacks?
Remove the relevant context and perspective, ignore the counter point being made, add in some hysteria, sprinkle with some insinuations or racism, sexism etc...
Life must be hard eh? Scary out there is it?
President Merkin said:
snuffy said:
If you want to use education level as a measure of intelligence, then you need to compare people in the same cohort. People at uni age in the 1970s are not in the same cohort as people today of that age. And I think everyone knows why is.
Why is what?snuffy said:
I meant to type "And I think everyone knows why that is."
I know, I went to university, In the 1990's. 
Still waiting for VS to piss all over my smarts. I suspect he's running up some university of life chunter while the rest of take in Dagnir's tour of Britain First sloganing.
TTwiggy said:
Dagnir said:
TTwiggy said:
Dagnir said:
Actual British men that have as much and possibly more right to vote than anyone except soldiers?
fk me. You got a list of people who you think these men have ‘possibly more right’ to vote than?Shall I start you off?
Women?
Young people?
Lefties?
Blacks?
Remove the relevant context and perspective, ignore the counter point being made, add in some hysteria, sprinkle with some insinuations or racism, sexism etc...
Life must be hard eh? Scary out there is it?
Bless your little cottons...
You don't get to invent stuff and then demand people defend themselves from it.
Who the devil do you think you are?
If you want to discuss my post in the full context, then please do.
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