Liz Truss Prime Minister
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skwdenyer said:
“Best value” is a wide measure, and should include the wider benefits to the economy - not to mention how hard it is to persuade export buyers to buy British when our own Government won’t! The short-termism inherent in buying a slightly cheaper overseas option is a part of how our economy ended up in a mess.
I saw an analysis of the US armed forces on this basis - essentially tax from the companies making the weapons acts as a discount to the US Defence budget, as well as amortising development costs. The firms then sell the product overseas, generating more tax take for the US Gov't. They get decent weapons at a huge discount when all the cash flows are included.xeny said:
skwdenyer said:
“Best value” is a wide measure, and should include the wider benefits to the economy - not to mention how hard it is to persuade export buyers to buy British when our own Government won’t! The short-termism inherent in buying a slightly cheaper overseas option is a part of how our economy ended up in a mess.
I saw an analysis of the US armed forces on this basis - essentially tax from the companies making the weapons acts as a discount to the US Defence budget, as well as amortising development costs. The firms then sell the product overseas, generating more tax take for the US Gov't. They get decent weapons at a huge discount when all the cash flows are included.skwdenyer said:
xeny said:
skwdenyer said:
“Best value” is a wide measure, and should include the wider benefits to the economy - not to mention how hard it is to persuade export buyers to buy British when our own Government won’t! The short-termism inherent in buying a slightly cheaper overseas option is a part of how our economy ended up in a mess.
I saw an analysis of the US armed forces on this basis - essentially tax from the companies making the weapons acts as a discount to the US Defence budget, as well as amortising development costs. The firms then sell the product overseas, generating more tax take for the US Gov't. They get decent weapons at a huge discount when all the cash flows are included.Kwasi Kwarteng did an interview on Leading with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart. Part 1 released yesterday, part 2 next week. Part 1 is about his background and beliefs and part 2 is presumably going to be about his time as Chancellor. Campbell said it is going to be uncomfortable listening for Truss, probably because he accepts blame for what happened while she blames it on Ocado and other elements of the deep state.
He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
Mr Penguin said:
Kwasi Kwarteng did an interview on Leading with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart. Part 1 released yesterday, part 2 next week. Part 1 is about his background and beliefs and part 2 is presumably going to be about his time as Chancellor. Campbell said it is going to be uncomfortable listening for Truss, probably because he accepts blame for what happened while she blames it on Ocado and other elements of the deep state.
He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
He was incredibly naiive.He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
Mr Penguin said:
Kwasi Kwarteng did an interview on Leading with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart. Part 1 released yesterday, part 2 next week. Part 1 is about his background and beliefs and part 2 is presumably going to be about his time as Chancellor. Campbell said it is going to be uncomfortable listening for Truss, probably because he accepts blame for what happened while she blames it on Ocado and other elements of the deep state.
He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
A bit?He fluffed it a bit when he was Chancellor but he's very intelligent and a very good communicator and I expected him to become PM at some point. He's a rare politician who comes across as being straightforward and open.
A BIT?
He completely fked things up massively in those few days, as did the gormless lettuce.
I had thought prior to that he appeared to be a smart guy, but his time in office was utterly unbelievable. Clueless fking idiot!
I’ll try to listen to the podcasts though: they often make for interesting listening. Even made Angela Rayner sound a reasonable option for deputy PM
This podcast did a 3 part analysis of Truss's month in power, it was follwed up with a 2 part interview with her.
The rest is money
The rest is money
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
James6112 said:
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
S600BSB said:
James6112 said:
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
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turbobloke said:
S600BSB said:
James6112 said:
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
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Digital Engagement Officer, Wales
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Salary: £40,974.13 (gross) per annum, with a fixed sum allowance of £1,127. Duration: A fixed-term contract to the next UK General Election.
Not sure what the job advert has to do with anything.
Castrol for a knave said:
turbobloke said:
S600BSB said:
James6112 said:
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
The Labour Party
Digital Engagement Officer, Wales
https://labour.org.uk › About Us › Work with us
Salary: £40,974.13 (gross) per annum, with a fixed sum allowance of £1,127. Duration: A fixed-term contract to the next UK General Election.
Not sure what the job advert has to do with anything.
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.Castrol for a knave said:
turbobloke said:
S600BSB said:
James6112 said:
Mr Penguin said:
CoolHands said:
He’s quite a nice bloke to listen to, a bit like Michael portillo
He'd also do very well on TV. Both are eloquent, confident, intelligent, charismatic. I bet Kwarteng would make some fantastic history documentaries.But trashing the economy & laughing at the queens funeral has finished any media aspirations.
Too toxic.
The Labour Party
Digital Engagement Officer, Wales
https://labour.org.uk › About Us › Work with us
Salary: £40,974.13 (gross) per annum, with a fixed sum allowance of £1,127. Duration: A fixed-term contract to the next UK General Election.
Not sure what the job advert has to do with anything.
Did the discussion not involve next-steps for Kwarteng? A role on TV was mentioned. BBC hiring political types and ex-Labour people in particular is a known habit, so he'd have to start somewhere. The fall in pay that comes with the advertised job would be in keeping with, and atone for, his fall from grace on social media.
The well-worn path from Labour to BBC is more of a trench, trodden over time at all levels from Robert Kilroy SIlk through James Purnell to Oscar Bentley. Micro-rebalancing the BBC with a turned Tory would do no harm. He'd do OK at the interview, probably, if they held one.
HTH
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President Merkin said:
Straight to the heart of the issue there. If Kwarteng had chosen history teacher instead of politics, millions wouldn't be facing cliff edges on their mortgages. If you boys are even vaguely representative of what passes for debate in Tory circles, then it sure is a mystery how they've ended up 20 points behind in the polls forever & a day.
What issue? He obviously won't be getting a ministerial job again but he does have the skills and time for another career. TV presenter is merely one that he would be good at.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff