Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Heard R2 J vine at midday today first part about BBC and Nick Robinson - he played the entire press conf and he did say Salmond did answer the first question however he clearly didn't answer the second as we can all hear. Then he had a ProYes and ProNo as debaters - my God are all ProYes shouty people and do they all simply talk over anything anyone who has a different view to them?
That was Tommy Sheridan. He's pretty 'special'.Look him up on Youtube, I dare you.
TLandCruiser said:
What has annoyed me quite alot about this referendum, is how one sided the press coverage has been for a NO vote especially on the BBC.
I disagree.If anything I have thought it was the other way around - especially when you add on the fact that it feels like we have been living in some sort of totalitarian society where you must agree lest you be derided and sneered at from the yes folk for months now while their shouty leader and that mornonic woman gurn on tv like two utter bell ends.
Everywhere, everything, every lamp post, has a stupid blue yes flag. It's been utterly inescapable.
But yes, totally biased the other way of course, because asking hard questions and expecting an answer is bad.
Walford said:
barryrs said:
Walford said:
dozens of countries have become independent from the UK and British empire and gone on to prosper why is everybody so negative
Crikey, you been ship wrecked for the last 2 years?.
Or is this another poor analogy such as Ireland and Singapore as suggested in the last day or two.
Bit of an eye opening moment this weekend.
Having dinner with the OH's Scottish step father.
An intelligent man, very successful in a global role within a large company. Worked in England for a good while as far as I can gather, but still very 'scottish'. He loves his country.
Despite being someone who has to consider consequences and signs cheques for millions on a regular basis he would absolutely vote yes if allowed.
The words where 'no matter how many arguments against it people tell me, I don't care, I think Scotland should be given independance.'
The blinkered view on it was astounding, and I get the feeling he's not alone.
I don't think they should split but its up to them. However, if that attitude is so prevalent north of the border perhaps the rest of the UK would be better off without them?
I do wonder if they vote 'no' and it's close, whether we'll (rest of the UK) get a vote on it. The decision affects the rest of us too and to be quite honest its pretty offensive that so much of Scotland has got behind it.
Not saying that the rest of the UK is without its fair share of fools, but perhaps the % would change?
I might actually have a chance to see a government I've voted for without them...
Having dinner with the OH's Scottish step father.
An intelligent man, very successful in a global role within a large company. Worked in England for a good while as far as I can gather, but still very 'scottish'. He loves his country.
Despite being someone who has to consider consequences and signs cheques for millions on a regular basis he would absolutely vote yes if allowed.
The words where 'no matter how many arguments against it people tell me, I don't care, I think Scotland should be given independance.'
The blinkered view on it was astounding, and I get the feeling he's not alone.
I don't think they should split but its up to them. However, if that attitude is so prevalent north of the border perhaps the rest of the UK would be better off without them?
I do wonder if they vote 'no' and it's close, whether we'll (rest of the UK) get a vote on it. The decision affects the rest of us too and to be quite honest its pretty offensive that so much of Scotland has got behind it.
Not saying that the rest of the UK is without its fair share of fools, but perhaps the % would change?
I might actually have a chance to see a government I've voted for without them...
Walford said:
dozens of countries have become independent from the UK and British empire and gone on to prosper why is everybody so negative
Perhaps the others had well thought out and reasonable economic plans? Not just we want to spend more, tax less and save money into an oil fund, and we expect the rest of the UK to pick up the bill if it doesn't work (currency union). If the SNP had been honest and said "look this will be hard to start with but in the long term we think we will be better" they would have had a lot more respect from people. But they have convinced some people we will have this land of milk and honey, and a lot of us aren't buying it.Perhaps if they hadn't gone out of their way to upset their nearest neighbour and biggest market (Wastemonster, nasty tories, Maggie Thatcher, Poll tax, poor downtrodden Scots, our oil not yours etc), perhaps if the yes campaign hadn't been so angry and attacked anyone who didn't agree with them. Maybe if they had behaved like reasonable sensible people then people wouldn't be so negative.
But the truth is they have utterly divided Scotland, whatever the result this has damaged Scotland for a long time, I don't believe any of this guff about us all working together after the vote. It would be lovely, but it's not going to happen, sadly too many Scots hold a grudge for generations. So we all lose whatever the result. That's why people are negative.
Walford said:
dozens of countries have become independent from the UK and British empire and gone on to prosper why is everybody so negative
Name 2 that started with a plans to:Stay in the EU despite the EU saying they cannot.
Spend ten times more Oil money than they will actually have.
Share the pound despite being told they cannot.
Increase public spending.
Could Scotland spin off and be successful with different plans. Possibly. But not with the plans the Yes campaign have laid out.
TLandCruiser said:
What has annoyed me quite alot about this referendum, is how one sided the press coverage has been for a NO vote especially on the BBC.
As a Scot id disagree. I feel that the media have been exceedingly patient with the yes campaign. So vague and lacking in substance is it, that the media could have ripped it apart at any point. This hasn't been the case. I suspect this to be partially to blame for the increase in support.This argument seems to be the latest attempt at continuing this nonsense after a no vote.
Question. In the event of a yes vote, what will the mortgage companies do? They will be looking at a big risk for mortgages on Scottish properties. Perhaps a big currency risk in a couple of years, perhaps a lot of defaults on repayment if it goes as badly as I suspect it will. Common sense says they will start recalling mortgages on the most highly leveraged properties as soon as they can. What happens then?
MintyChris said:
As a Scot id disagree. I feel that the media have been exceedingly patient with the yes campaign. So vague and lacking in substance is it, that the media could have ripped it apart at any point. This hasn't been the case. I suspect this to be partially to blame for the increase in support.
This argument seems to be the latest attempt at continuing this nonsense after a no vote.
They are not allowed to rip it apart without ripping apart the No campaign also. They must be fair you see.This argument seems to be the latest attempt at continuing this nonsense after a no vote.
s2art said:
Question. In the event of a yes vote, what will the mortgage companies do? They will be looking at a big risk for mortgages on Scottish properties. Perhaps a big currency risk in a couple of years, perhaps a lot of defaults on repayment if it goes as badly as I suspect it will. Common sense says they will start recalling mortgages on the most highly leveraged properties as soon as they can. What happens then?
Jim Sillars will nationalise them.doogz said:
BatleyBoy said:
The bookies usually get it right and Ladbrokes inparticular know a thing or two about gambling:
No vote = 1/4
Yes vote = 3/1 (drifting out from this mornings 11/4)
The bookies don't really care who wins.No vote = 1/4
Yes vote = 3/1 (drifting out from this mornings 11/4)
They just want to balance their odds so they don't lose out.
Just because they're showing 3/1, doesn't necessarily mean they think the result is going to be No, it can just mean they've had an awful lot of bets for No.
Walford said:
Sir Richard Branson has told the BBC that a "Yes" vote in the Scottish referendum could have "catastrophic" consequences.
Since he live on an island that already has independence
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Those 2 sentences bear no relation to each other at all. Being able to predict economic disaster is not dependent on where you live.Since he live on an island that already has independence
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And, if you were referring to Necker Island - that's part of the BVI - which is not "independent".
MintyChris said:
As a Scot id disagree. I feel that the media have been exceedingly patient with the yes campaign. So vague and lacking in substance is it, that the media could have ripped it apart at any point. This hasn't been the case.
Absolutely spot on.In the interests of impartiality they've let the Yes campaign get away with murder.
Through the eyes of your average lemming this is seen as the SNP putting across very valid points.
doogz said:
What sort of independence does his island have?
The sort that still depends on the UK government to provide their defence and foreign affairs.
So, a tiny bit like what the SNP are proposing, we'll be independent, but keep some of the good stuff about being united.
Ah, so Salmond wants to be an independent Crown Dependancy? Didn't see that option in the referendum questions....The sort that still depends on the UK government to provide their defence and foreign affairs.
So, a tiny bit like what the SNP are proposing, we'll be independent, but keep some of the good stuff about being united.
doogz said:
Walford said:
Sir Richard Branson has told the BBC that a "Yes" vote in the Scottish referendum could have "catastrophic" consequences.
Since he live on an island that already has independence
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What sort of independence does his island have?Since he live on an island that already has independence
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The sort that still depends on the UK government to provide their defence and foreign affairs.
So, a tiny bit like what the SNP are proposing, we'll be independent, but keep some of the good stuff about being united.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29202682
Moody's credit rating agency say that an iScotland would be likely to receive an 'A' rating.
An 'A' rating is 'investment grade' (i.e. not junk and worth investing in) but 2 grades below the UK 'Aa1' rating so deemed riskier and would be more expensive.
Moody's credit rating agency say that an iScotland would be likely to receive an 'A' rating.
An 'A' rating is 'investment grade' (i.e. not junk and worth investing in) but 2 grades below the UK 'Aa1' rating so deemed riskier and would be more expensive.
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