Respecting religion???
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tty when you don't like the choice. anonymous said:
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There is still outrageous discriminatory rhetoric coming out of the CofE. Look at this bile :https://www.churchofengland.org/our-views/marriage...
https://www.churchofengland.org/media/1475149/s-s%...
Even from the so called speakers chaplain - arguing hard against letting humanists get married.
47:25 minutes in >>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nx66yEBzWg
Can she hear herself and how she is saying humanists are somehow second class? They are not moving with the times - they are being reluctantly dragged along, behind the times, realising too late how out of touch and irrelevant they are before saying "OK then we'll er, let that happen". They are dinosaurs.
These people and their tainted misguided beliefs, pushing discriminatory and nasty policies have no place in guiding anyone. What skills and learning? The skill to be discriminatory?
You don't have the balls to stand up and say you know the reservations were unfounded. You just professed blind faith in the scientists in question, which isn't clever.
You saw a religious member of the House of Lords and automatically decided because they are religious their reservations were invalid.
You saw a religious member of the House of Lords and automatically decided because they are religious their reservations were invalid.
///ajd said:
No, do you know what fascism is?
Tone it down as in - remove it from interfering in government, trying to block research, block marriage to same sex couples.
Isn't the church a bit presumptuous in assuming it can lecture us all and interfere?
So what if people want to call themselves Christians and form clubs to talk with likeminded people, perhaps start up a TV channel for likeminded people to broadcast to others? Would you allow that?Tone it down as in - remove it from interfering in government, trying to block research, block marriage to same sex couples.
Isn't the church a bit presumptuous in assuming it can lecture us all and interfere?
anonymous said:
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It is not hard to find evidence of the CofE trying to block medical research & progress. This just from yesterday.http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/02/chu...
Whether you agree or not - here is the CofE trying to block medical attempts to overcome genetic diseases like muscular distrophy. Imagine the benefits to parents who have suffered the death of a young child, and the immense hope such a technology could bring to them.
Does the CofE have any empathy with those parents? Does it care about those parents? By any logical analysis it does not care one jot about those parents but does care about whether such technology might somehow threaten some misguided church view on ethics - as if they have a leg to stand on as they discriminate against e.g. women and gays.
Pathetic & deluded.
Martin4x4 said:
Good to see some common sense from parliament in rejecting idiotic religious objections.
Cool huh? hearing some of the church's objections you have to wonder if they ever take a step back and listen to themselves. Comments about rushing it through were laughable given the consultation period for this.///ajd said:
Of course, that's free speech.
They could even set up a business running it. Would you let that business only employ men in the top jobs?
Would you let the club encourage the idea of killing people outside the club, just because they were not in the club?
Oh good, i was worried about you.They could even set up a business running it. Would you let that business only employ men in the top jobs?
Would you let the club encourage the idea of killing people outside the club, just because they were not in the club?
And:
No.
No.
anonymous said:
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I'll push the chip to one side and then do a little research into the various abrahamic sects:Such as judaism saying that they are the chosen people.
We have christians saying that the only way into heaven is via christ. So non christians = tough. During RE at school one question was: Who are the chosen people now? I answered the jews, but it was pointed out that it was the followers of christ.
The islamists suggest that all non muslisms are to be killed.
Or are you unaware of the various bibles?
Then there are the various sects within a sect. The western catholic church says that those of the eastern catholic church are evil and will not be allowed into heaven, this despite the split between to two side being amicable at first. Sunni v Shiite. There are factions within all the major sects, each suggesting they do it right.
The catholic church run by Henry 8 generated a fatwa by the then pope, although this might well have been after pressure from the king in whose country he was being held captive, although in luxury. Odd really as pope had granted Hen the title defender of the faith some weeks earlier. Fickle or what, eh?
The pilgrim fathers, you've got to love them. Contrary to popular myth, they left this country because the state allowed religions other than theirs to exist, and they did not want to be in the same country as the heathens. They were not persecuted, but actually wanted other religions persecuted.
The point of every sect of religion is to show that the others are wrong and therefore doomed. They are all doomed.
So chip on my shoulder or not, I am right. Even the current pope has backed me up on this.
I had the benefit of being taught comparative religions. It really was great fun. You should try it. Each religion is condemned out of the mouth of those in charge of it.
Might I suggest we don't get personal? Argue against what I have said by all means. That's the point of this type of thread. But insults always make me suspect the person is out of sensible response.
Derek Smith said:
I'll push the chip to one side and then do a little research into the various abrahamic sects:
Such as judaism saying that they are the chosen people.
We have christians saying that the only way into heaven is via christ. So non christians = tough. During RE at school one question was: Who are the chosen people now? I answered the jews, but it was pointed out that it was the followers of christ.
The islamists suggest that all non muslisms are to be killed.
Or are you unaware of the various bibles?
Then there are the various sects within a sect. The western catholic church says that those of the eastern catholic church are evil and will not be allowed into heaven, this despite the split between to two side being amicable at first. Sunni v Shiite. There are factions within all the major sects, each suggesting they do it right.
The catholic church run by Henry 8 generated a fatwa by the then pope, although this might well have been after pressure from the king in whose country he was being held captive, although in luxury. Odd really as pope had granted Hen the title defender of the faith some weeks earlier. Fickle or what, eh?
The pilgrim fathers, you've got to love them. Contrary to popular myth, they left this country because the state allowed religions other than theirs to exist, and they did not want to be in the same country as the heathens. They were not persecuted, but actually wanted other religions persecuted.
The point of every sect of religion is to show that the others are wrong and therefore doomed. They are all doomed.
So chip on my shoulder or not, I am right. Even the current pope has backed me up on this.
I had the benefit of being taught comparative religions. It really was great fun. You should try it. Each religion is condemned out of the mouth of those in charge of it.
Might I suggest we don't get personal? Argue against what I have said by all means. That's the point of this type of thread. But insults always make me suspect the person is out of sensible response.
You said Church and then mentioned Jews and Muslims. You said the Church does (present tense) and then you mention Henry VIII and the pilgrim fathers. Hmmmmm!Such as judaism saying that they are the chosen people.
We have christians saying that the only way into heaven is via christ. So non christians = tough. During RE at school one question was: Who are the chosen people now? I answered the jews, but it was pointed out that it was the followers of christ.
The islamists suggest that all non muslisms are to be killed.
Or are you unaware of the various bibles?
Then there are the various sects within a sect. The western catholic church says that those of the eastern catholic church are evil and will not be allowed into heaven, this despite the split between to two side being amicable at first. Sunni v Shiite. There are factions within all the major sects, each suggesting they do it right.
The catholic church run by Henry 8 generated a fatwa by the then pope, although this might well have been after pressure from the king in whose country he was being held captive, although in luxury. Odd really as pope had granted Hen the title defender of the faith some weeks earlier. Fickle or what, eh?
The pilgrim fathers, you've got to love them. Contrary to popular myth, they left this country because the state allowed religions other than theirs to exist, and they did not want to be in the same country as the heathens. They were not persecuted, but actually wanted other religions persecuted.
The point of every sect of religion is to show that the others are wrong and therefore doomed. They are all doomed.
So chip on my shoulder or not, I am right. Even the current pope has backed me up on this.
I had the benefit of being taught comparative religions. It really was great fun. You should try it. Each religion is condemned out of the mouth of those in charge of it.
Might I suggest we don't get personal? Argue against what I have said by all means. That's the point of this type of thread. But insults always make me suspect the person is out of sensible response.
Have you got current official policies of antagonism between the East-West churches? They have clashed in the past, what's the official line today?
Again, I've never heard anything remotely like what you are saying in any Church.
Perhaps instead of saying 'chip on shoulder' I should have said 'personal grudge'.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd February 22:27
///ajd said:
So why is it OK for churches to discriminate against women and non-believers?
If it isn't OK, does this not reveal their fundamentally flawed underpinnings? What God would tolerate and encourage sexism? A man made-up non-real one. QED.
Which Church or Churches are you referring to?If it isn't OK, does this not reveal their fundamentally flawed underpinnings? What God would tolerate and encourage sexism? A man made-up non-real one. QED.
And as your question is a response to my answers are you still talking about Churches promoting the killing of non-believers?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 4th February 07:41
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