Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[CivicDuties]

Ashfordian said:

CivicDuties said:

Ashfordian said:

CivicDuties said:

Ready to prove you've got £5,432 in cash so they'll let you in for your 2 week holiday (family of 4)?

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-worl...

More evidence of how gullible those on the remain side are.

Here's a hint, it's a clickbait article for the stupid, and you have just proved you are their target audience.

OK genius, you show me where the Spanish government has said their law has changed and this check is no longer something which their border officials can perform.

You tell me if the possibility of having to jump through this hoop is an improvement on the pre-Brexit arrangements for British citizens. After all, Brexit is golden, right? All upside, no downside (copyright David Davis MP)?

Thank you for proving that you are one of the gullibly stupid. Even those who voted the same way you did cannot defend the current rubbish you are posting

As an EU member, Spain waived such checks for our passport holders, but now we've left the EU, they have decided that they will instruct border officials to enforce those checks should they wish to do so. So there has been a change, and it isn't a positive one. As a result, The UK FCDO states on its travel advice page for Spain that we should be prepared to provide evidence of funds at the border if requested. As the Foreign Office itself states, "The authorities in Spain set and enforce entry rules." So a news website pointing out this specific new situation regarding entry to Spain is quite reasonable and in no way clickbait, nor is anyone reading it and sharing it in any way "gullible" nor "stupid" for doing so.

Perhaps go easy on the personal insults?

[don'tbesilly]

CivicDuties said:

Spare tyre said:

Mine and my wife’s business have really suffered when exporting, simply not worth it

I’m sure some U.K. business must be benefitting but it will be interesting to know if it’s an overall improvement or loss

One of my favourite brexit tales is a few of the wealthy fellas I goto Le Mans with (who voted for brexit) who are now moaning about all things brexit related that are ruining the enjoyment of their holiday homes in Europe

The party's over for wealthy retirees wanting to go to Spain as well. Here's the Express, moaning about the exact thing it told everyone to vote for in 2016:

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1886295/...

Ready to prove you've got £5,432 in cash so they'll let you in for your 2 week holiday (family of 4)?

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-worl...

"All the benefits of membership and none of the costs", that was how it was sold before the referendum. Liars.

Everyone goes to Spain with that amount of cash in their hand luggage don’t they?

How the hell do some (or one) get suckered into such nonsense!

I went to Barcelona 2 weeks ago, and apart from providing a passport at BC that was it.

[CivicDuties]

don'tbesilly said:

CivicDuties said:

Spare tyre said:

Mine and my wife’s business have really suffered when exporting, simply not worth it

I’m sure some U.K. business must be benefitting but it will be interesting to know if it’s an overall improvement or loss

One of my favourite brexit tales is a few of the wealthy fellas I goto Le Mans with (who voted for brexit) who are now moaning about all things brexit related that are ruining the enjoyment of their holiday homes in Europe

The party's over for wealthy retirees wanting to go to Spain as well. Here's the Express, moaning about the exact thing it told everyone to vote for in 2016:

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1886295/...

Ready to prove you've got £5,432 in cash so they'll let you in for your 2 week holiday (family of 4)?

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-worl...

"All the benefits of membership and none of the costs", that was how it was sold before the referendum. Liars.

Everyone goes to Spain with that amount of cash in their hand luggage don’t they?

How the hell do some (or one) get suckered into such nonsense!

I went to Barcelona 2 weeks ago, and apart from providing a passport at BC that was it.

I obviously don't mean cash in the physical sense, I mean access to that level of funds. How the hell is someone so daft as to think that's what I meant.

fk me.

Yes, I'm sure your entry to Barcelona was hassle free, nobody is saying that every single person will be asked to provide anything more than a passport, but it will happen, so it's best to be prepared for the eventuality. Which is, as I keep saying, not an improvement on the situation we enjoyed before Brexit, neither is it a neutral effect, it's a disbenefit, even if a minor one. So, in the context of a thread about whether or not Brexit has been worth it, this element has to go on the "not worth it" side of the ledger.

Edited by CivicDuties on Tuesday 9th April 14:50

[Ashfordian]

don'tbesilly said:

Everyone goes to Spain with that amount of cash in their hand luggage don’t they?

How the hell do some (or one) get suckered into such nonsense!

I went to Barcelona 2 weeks ago, and apart from providing a passport at BC that was it.

Well, they were suckered in by Project Fear so they've already demonstrated how gullibly stupid they were.

I recall when there were 'scare' stories from Project Fear, that UK airlines would no longer be able to fly into the EU. Some of them actually believed this nonsense.

[monthou]

Ashfordian said:

More evidence of how gullible those on the remain side are.

Here's a hint, it's a clickbait article for the stupid, and you have just proved you are their target audience.

As you brought up stupidity...

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Could you explain how you think organisations are supposed to know how their employees voted?

[Ashfordian]

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Could you explain how you think organisations are supposed to know how their employees voted?

Quite simply by asking them. In the real world many employees have to notify their financial transactions(if they are even allowed to trade), so when the relevant organisations eg OBR, are making economic forecasts on political situations eg EU referendum or General Election, their predictions/guesses should come with a note regarding how said organisation votes.

To make this relevant to the thread, say the OBR was 92% remain, 8% Leave on their voting EU intention, it would provide context and possibly identify bias behind said predictions/guesses.

I'm aware remoaners will want the above bias kept hidden as it undermines their main argument.

[monthou]

Ashfordian said:

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Could you explain how you think organisations are supposed to know how their employees voted?

Quite simply by asking them. In the real world many employees have to notify their financial transactions(if they are even allowed to trade), so when the relevant organisations eg OBR, are making economic forecasts on political situations eg EU referendum or General Election, their predictions/guesses should come with a note regarding how said organisation votes.

To make this relevant to the thread, say the OBR was 92% remain, 8% Leave on their voting EU intention, it would provide context and possibly identify bias behind said predictions/guesses.

I'm aware remoaners will want the above bias kept hidden as it undermines their main argument.

eg OBR?
You were talking about Age Concern!

I'd imagine many people, if asked how they voted by their employer, would reply (but nicely) 'None of your fking business.' Others might not tell the truth (shock, horror).

Edited by monthou on Tuesday 9th April 17:25

[Mortarboard]

Ashfordian said:

Quite simply by asking them. In the real world many employees have to notify their financial transactions(if they are even allowed to trade), so when the relevant organisations eg OBR, are making economic forecasts on political situations eg EU referendum or General Election, their predictions/guesses should come with a note regarding how said organisation votes.

To make this relevant to the thread, say the OBR was 92% remain, 8% Leave on their voting EU intention, it would provide context and possibly identify bias behind said predictions/guesses.

I'm aware remoaners will want the above bias kept hidden as it undermines their main argument.

The OBR model is fully public, and independently reviewed and audited.

Lord, the ignorance (which seems wilful at this stage) is astounding.

"Shadowy remainer insurgents in the OBR and the like"
Tinfoil hatted wibble.

M.

[nickfrog]

Ashfordian said:

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Could you explain how you think organisations are supposed to know how their employees voted?

Quite simply by asking them. In the real world many employees have to notify their financial transactions(if they are even allowed to trade), so when the relevant organisations eg OBR, are making economic forecasts on political situations eg EU referendum or General Election, their predictions/guesses should come with a note regarding how said organisation votes.

To make this relevant to the thread, say the OBR was 92% remain, 8% Leave on their voting EU intention, it would provide context and possibly identify bias behind said predictions/guesses.

I'm aware remoaners will want the above bias kept hidden as it undermines their main argument.

And you repeatedly call others stupid.

[Vanden Saab]

And the good news keeps coming...

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-beco...

link said:

The UK has become the world’s fourth largest exporter thanks to a boost in services, fresh trade figures have shown.
It comes after the UK ranked seventh in 2021, moving up three places in the figures for exporting goods and services in 2022, the United Nations (UN) has confirmed.

Remember folks goods trade intensity is down or something...

[StevieBee]

Ashfordian said:

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Could you explain how you think organisations are supposed to know how their employees voted?

Quite simply by asking them.

How would you go about verifying their answer?

Without verification, the information the exercise would provide is meaningless.

[crankedup5]

Vanden Saab said:

And the good news keeps coming...

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-beco...

link said:

The UK has become the world’s fourth largest exporter thanks to a boost in services, fresh trade figures have shown.
It comes after the UK ranked seventh in 2021, moving up three places in the figures for exporting goods and services in 2022, the United Nations (UN) has confirmed.

Remember folks goods trade intensity is down or something...

Excellent news for the U.K.

[Killboy]

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Jesus. I thought the whole brexit thing was to escape authoritarianism?

[S600BSB]

Killboy said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

Jesus. I thought the whole brexit thing was to escape authoritarianism?

Quite incredible

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Vanden Saab said:

And the good news keeps coming...

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-beco...

link said:

The UK has become the world’s fourth largest exporter thanks to a boost in services, fresh trade figures have shown.
It comes after the UK ranked seventh in 2021, moving up three places in the figures for exporting goods and services in 2022, the United Nations (UN) has confirmed.

Remember folks goods trade intensity is down or something...

Excellent news for the U.K.

Bad news for brexit though.
Imagine how much better off the uk would be if non-services trade (stifled by brexit) had git the same boost as services trade (unaffected by brexit)



M.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

Vanden Saab said:

And the good news keeps coming...

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-beco...

link said:

The UK has become the world’s fourth largest exporter thanks to a boost in services, fresh trade figures have shown.
It comes after the UK ranked seventh in 2021, moving up three places in the figures for exporting goods and services in 2022, the United Nations (UN) has confirmed.

Remember folks goods trade intensity is down or something...

Excellent news for the U.K.

Bad news for brexit though.
Imagine how much better off the uk would be if non-services trade (stifled by brexit) had git the same boost as services trade (unaffected by brexit)



M.

John Lennon - Imagine.
Brilliant lyrics.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

John Lennon - Imagine.
Brilliant lyrics.

Well, it would be better if there was the will to actually fix brexit, instead of declaring it a success instead.....

So yes, imagine is all that can be done...



M.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

John Lennon - Imagine.
Brilliant lyrics.

Well, it would be better if there was the will to actually fix brexit, instead of declaring it a success instead.....

So yes, imagine is all that can be done...



M.

Brexit is an ongoing process, one can only ‘imagine’ where the country will be in five years time.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, one can only ‘imagine’ where the country will be in five years time.

Ongoing?

Like the updating of the customs and border admin to reflect the changes over the last 4 years?

Or the "bonfire of EU regs " that's similarly "ongoing"?

Or the new trade deals that so far account for a benefit if less than 0.5% of gdp?

Or the "taking control of immigration"? That still ongoing?

Reducing costs on business by burdening them with twice as much regulation?

Improving the environment by gutting protections?

And so on. The "plan" is working, is it?

Yup, can only imagine....

M.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

Brexit is an ongoing process, one can only ‘imagine’ where the country will be in five years time.

Ongoing?

Like the updating of the customs and border admin to reflect the changes over the last 4 years?

Or the "bonfire of EU regs " that's similarly "ongoing"?

Or the new trade deals that so far account for a benefit if less than 0.5% of gdp?

Or the "taking control of immigration"? That still ongoing?

Reducing costs on business by burdening them with twice as much regulation?

Improving the environment by gutting protections?

And so on. The "plan" is working, is it?

Yup, can only imagine....

M.

Yup, it’s all ongoing.
Wether one agrees with this is another matter and of course in the World of politics anything can happen and usually does. Perhaps the change to a Labour Government will speed up the process.
We are still trading with all of our partners from the past thirty years and constantly seeking deals with new trading opportunities.