Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
I work with a number of manufacturing businesses.
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
I work with a number of manufacturing businesses.
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
They all have been struggling with recruitment and retention after losing a lot of staff back to their home countries - mostly Spain and Poland post-brexit.
One missed delivery of multi £M of product last year on a new contract with a global pharma company.
Pay is good plus they will support people through further study etc.
Have done recruitment fairs at colleges and unis. £30k (i think) starting salary.
Its very tough. Now looking at someway of raising salaries to meet new immigration requirements.
Talking to leadership team for one business they think part of issue with retaining British staff is them not allowed to take phones into the manufacturing areas - these are clean-rooms.
I live overseas and own a couple of businesses here. One, we paid 1.5% tax for first three years as government want to encourage entrepreneurship/small business. Another one - scheme to give 18 month free lease on a building to see if an F&B outlet would work.
When I did some work with the DTI to attract foreign investment to UK their pitches to investors didn’t even include plates for biscuits or matching chairs….
cheesejunkie said:
Out of interest, nah, that's a challenge and I know one when I read one. Lol. You're not just shimmying up.
https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
I don't really care about the tabloids and never read them. But they have direct topic links with lots of claims.
Yes the same bar did apply, it was more easily jumped. I'm not EU great way hey, I am brexiters f
ked up and have yet to validate that choice.
You cheeky minx suggesting I was shimmying up. Only Mrs Murph gets the opportunity to spurn those advances https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/brexit/index.html
I don't really care about the tabloids and never read them. But they have direct topic links with lots of claims.
Yes the same bar did apply, it was more easily jumped. I'm not EU great way hey, I am brexiters f
ked up and have yet to validate that choice.
You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take s
t for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing". Murph7355 said:
You cheeky minx suggesting I was shimmying up. Only Mrs Murph gets the opportunity to spurn those advances
You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take st for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing".
I'll happily allow Mrs Murph her domination, I've a Mrs cheese who'd tear strips out of me for some of what I post on here if she knew You don't care about the tabloids, and yet when it suits you take what they say at face value?
Nobody has to "validate their choice" to you or anyone else. Those arguments were had 8yrs ago. You don't like them, them's the breaks. You can't comprehend the choice, that's on you.
Politicians of all ilks received a shot across their bows not to take s
t for granted. They're still reeling from the lesson. But one day it will sink in. That in and of itself will be a "good thing". 
I think I agree with you that some are still reeling from the lesson. I don't agree it's bound to be a good thing. There's a bit of you asked for it now you'll get it in my view which I agree with. My lefty liberal nonsense doesn't extend to sympathy for all, you asked for it now you're going to get it. Some were mislead, some were dissatisfied, all are going to pay the piper. I'm not a doom monger, it's not going to be as bad as some imply, but some were taken for a ride.
StevieBee said:
It appears none will be forthcoming any time soon and seems now that it wasn't about benefits anyway. Something to do with freedom from something or other.
The first and likely only brexit benefit is watching some realise what they’ve voted for and complain about the consequences, see farmers and fishermen.I’m not unsympathetic, but I do have a f
k you attitude.Some of those voters thought they were making the correct decision and did so with decency. That they were wrong’s a fact, don’t hate them for being wrong. Don’t disrespect them.
Cranked’s racism is a very different ask, I won’t hate, it’s a struggle not to, but I won’t support and I won’t respect.
StevieBee said:
Spare tyre said:
When do I see my first brexit benefit
It appears none will be forthcoming any time soon and seems now that it wasn't about benefits anyway. Something to do with freedom from something or other.Will check back in next month to get the omnibus of superb improvements.
mike9009 said:
Brexit is and was always a complete folly.
Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
Why was it that the ‘Remain campaign’ was unable to convince the majority of those who took an active interest in the issue that to leave the EU would be a negative outcome?Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
BTW I voted to leave the EU and remain content with my decision.
crankedup5 said:
mike9009 said:
Brexit is and was always a complete folly.
Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
Why was it that the ‘Remain campaign’ was unable to convince the majority of those who took an active interest in the issue that to leave the EU would be a negative outcome?Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
BTW I voted to leave the EU and remain content with my decision.
CivicDuties said:
crankedup5 said:
mike9009 said:
Brexit is and was always a complete folly.
Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
Why was it that the ‘Remain campaign’ was unable to convince the majority of those who took an active interest in the issue that to leave the EU would be a negative outcome?Looking forward to Reform selling pixie dust again.
BTW I voted to leave the EU and remain content with my decision.
The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
James6112 said:
crankedup5 said:
I was listening for 30 years leading up to brexit, what I heard, read and watched convinced me from very early in the process that the EU was not the way forward. I remain convinced and content.
The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
Sure, that will convince the majority The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
it’s a complete & utter disaster
Thankfully
Edited by James6112 on Thursday 25th April 17:00
crankedup5 said:
I was listening for 30 years leading up to brexit, what I heard, read and watched convinced me from very early in the process that the EU was not the way forward. I remain convinced and content.
The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
I had elderly relatives with dodgy opinions too. Some feeling very sour about losing the vote in the 70’s and feeling it was ding ding round two.The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
Some are idiots who haven’t realised how the world moved on and their opinions stayed the same.
Some are not idiots and can make a good argument.
If you were convinced very early the eu project was wrong there’s no convincing you. If your opinions were changed by events like Maastricht I’d have more sympathy although I wouldn’t agree. But straight out of the gate thinking it’s all wrong and sticking to those guns, no empathy. I may have been on the losing side but I wasn’t the loser.
crankedup5 said:
The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
We never did have the emergency budget Osborne promised. Two months short of 8 years and still waiting for it.Or was it a lie to influence the gullible?
cheesejunkie said:
crankedup5 said:
I was listening for 30 years leading up to brexit, what I heard, read and watched convinced me from very early in the process that the EU was not the way forward. I remain convinced and content.
The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
I had elderly relatives with dodgy opinions too. Some feeling very sour about losing the vote in the 70’s and feeling it was ding ding round two.The issue for the remain camp, and still is, that arrogance (as you amply demonstrate in your answer to me) overrode the sensible heads to be honest and open with the campaign. The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
Some are idiots who haven’t realised how the world moved on and their opinions stayed the same.
Some are not idiots and can make a good argument.
If you were convinced very early the eu project was wrong there’s no convincing you. If your opinions were changed by events like Maastricht I’d have more sympathy although I wouldn’t agree. But straight out of the gate thinking it’s all wrong and sticking to those guns, no empathy. I may have been on the losing side but I wasn’t the loser.
Have another go reading my post and then think about it.
Ashfordian said:
crankedup5 said:
The idiot Osborne capped it all off by announcing that ‘an emergency budget’ would have to be called if we left the EU.
We never did have the emergency budget Osborne promised. Two months short of 8 years and still waiting for it.Or was it a lie to influence the gullible?
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