Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.

[Efbe]

fblm said:

Efbe said:

MPG claims by makers are already quite fictional.

No they arn't its just the official test is not representitve of real world driving. If you drove your car exactly like the official test you would very likely get the official MPG.

but that is exactly the same as the current NOx issue.

If the cars are mapped to reeturn 60mpg in specific test conditions, but as soon as you hit the road, with inclines, bumps, varying revs etc it drops to 35mpg then the car has been designed to indicate 60mpg, whilst quite blatantly not being able to in real world conditions.

Same thing. ish.

[Scuffers]

Efbe said:

but that is exactly the same as the current NOx issue.

If the cars are mapped to reeturn 60mpg in specific test conditions, but as soon as you hit the road, with inclines, bumps, varying revs etc it drops to 35mpg then the car has been designed to indicate 60mpg, whilst quite blatantly not being able to in real world conditions.

Same thing. ish.

no that's not the same thing.

what we are talking about here is them using desperate measures to get though EU5 (and 6?) NOx limits.

to do this is actually likely to increases MPG, not decreases it

[Efbe]

Scuffers said:

Efbe said:

but that is exactly the same as the current NOx issue.

If the cars are mapped to reeturn 60mpg in specific test conditions, but as soon as you hit the road, with inclines, bumps, varying revs etc it drops to 35mpg then the car has been designed to indicate 60mpg, whilst quite blatantly not being able to in real world conditions.

Same thing. ish.

no that's not the same thing.

what we are talking about here is them using desperate measures to get though EU5 (and 6?) NOx limits.

to do this is actually likely to increases MPG, not decreases it

um yes I am well aware this is not the same thing.
read through my posts. I was moving on from this

I am saying it is similar to program to specifically pass NOx tests as it is to get great MPG figures in test conditions.

[944fan]

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

[V8A*ndy]

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

Yeah but is your car still under warranty?

The general consensus is "sorry Sir you didn't have the recall" if something goes horribly wrong and if it goes in for a service they will nuke it regardless.

We have already had the "sorry sir, it's been on a track" farce.

IMO they will do anything to get out of warranty repairs.

[944fan]

V8A*ndy said:

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

Yeah but is your car still under warranty?

The general consensus is "sorry Sir you didn't have the recall" if something goes horribly wrong and if it goes in for a service they will nuke it regardless.

We have already had the "sorry sir, it's been on a track" farce.

IMO they will do anything to get out of warranty repairs.

Thankfully its way out of warranty

[hornetrider]

Germany forcibly orders VW to recall 2.4 MILLION cars!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34536573

This is after VW were pushing for owners to voluntarily bring their cars in for repair.

[xjay1337]

Mine has a massive turbo and a 3 inch TBE
It's not going back :-)

[fathomfive]

xjay1337 said:

Mine has a massive turbo and a 3 inch TBE
It's not going back :-)

Surely the government will require VW to provide a list of all affected cars and therefore a list of all cars which have been rectified.
Come MOT time, at the very latest, you'll be asked to get it done I imagine, or face a failed MOT.

[Scuffers]

fathomfive said:

xjay1337 said:

Mine has a massive turbo and a 3 inch TBE
It's not going back :-)

Surely the government will require VW to provide a list of all affected cars and therefore a list of all cars which have been rectified.
Come MOT time, at the very latest, you'll be asked to get it done I imagine, or face a failed MOT.

there is not mechanism to do anything like this.

[xjay1337]

fathomfive said:

Surely the government will require VW to provide a list of all affected cars and therefore a list of all cars which have been rectified.
Come MOT time, at the very latest, you'll be asked to get it done I imagine, or face a failed MOT.

Not going to happen.

[fathomfive]

Scuffers said:

fathomfive said:

xjay1337 said:

Mine has a massive turbo and a 3 inch TBE
It's not going back :-)

Surely the government will require VW to provide a list of all affected cars and therefore a list of all cars which have been rectified.
Come MOT time, at the very latest, you'll be asked to get it done I imagine, or face a failed MOT.

there is not mechanism to do anything like this.

Fairy snuff.

[hornet]

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

Is there any impact on future VED bandings? Granted, they use CO2 rather than NOx, but if your car is acknowledged to be producing considerably higher emissions than originally stated due to software misuse, could we see DVLA getting involved on the basis of lost excise duty?

[Munter]

hornet said:

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

Is there any impact on future VED bandings? Granted, they use CO2 rather than NOx, but if your car is acknowledged to be producing considerably higher emissions than originally stated due to software misuse, could we see DVLA getting involved on the basis of lost excise duty?

I thought they already said no they were not interested.

[Scuffers]

hornet said:

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

Is there any impact on future VED bandings? Granted, they use CO2 rather than NOx, but if your car is acknowledged to be producing considerably higher emissions than originally stated due to software misuse, could we see DVLA getting involved on the basis of lost excise duty?

No, DVLA have already said they are not going to re-class any cars

[Stevemr]

My Passat 1.6 tdi (12/2013) was valued by we buy any car on 19/09 at £10900 ( I was getting an idea what its worth as I have a new car on order.)

Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.

So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.

At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.

[Scuffers]

Stevemr said:

My Passat 1.6 tdi (12/2013) was valued by we buy any car on 19/09 at £10900 ( I was getting an idea what its worth as I have a new car on order.)

Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.

So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.

At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.

you're ignoring we have just gone through a plate change, values always tale a step when that happens.

[vanordinaire]

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

My wife go a similar letter 'from' Richard Harrison, Director of Seat UK today.
It confirmed that her car is affected by the emissions issue and directed her to a section of the Seat website which in turn confirmed that her car is not affected.
She replied directly to him by e-mail, asking which is wrong, his personally signed letter or his company's website. She is eagerly awaiting his reply.
If they can't even work out which cars are affected I doubt whether this'll be fixed soon.

[Stevemr]

you're ignoring we have just gone through a plate change, values always tale a step when that happens.

Good point!

[hornetrider]

VW is to recall 8.4 MILLION CARS Europe wide

Holy crapola!

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/15/vw...