Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

Foster Children removed from couple for UKIP membership

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Oakey

27,618 posts

218 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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purplepolarbear said:
No, but UKIP would, I presume, send its members a newsletter. The kids may for example pick up the post and see this and realise the parents subscribe to it. I don't think it would be possible for the parents to hide this completely.
Right, so are you in support of removing children from their parents if the parents vote for the BNP? After all, these parents might receive BNP literature in the post and this might cause these children to become racist.

elster

17,517 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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XCP said:
Perhaps UKIP should make their policy clearer if people can get it that wrong. The removal of any possible doubt would seem to be a good thing.
Oh and does anyone else find Farages membership of the European Parliament a bit odd?
The problem comes down to the last few local elections

Where lots of Labour accusations of them being Racist, mainly due to them being really the opposition in almost all seats.

g3org3y

20,682 posts

193 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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BOR said:
The social workers are "damned if they do, damned if they don't"

They are responsible for the safety of the kids they place, and, with the best will in the world, a lot of UKIP members have a tendency to the sendemback.

The majority might not be racist, but they sure don't like The Foreign.

Is it worth the risk ?

...or works for Rotherham Council. confused

Happy82

15,077 posts

171 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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odyssey2200 said:
Why is UKIPs policy so unacceptable?
Because in modern Britain, if you even question immigration or the colour of people involved in gang warfare you are immediately branded a racist. That way the problem can be brushed under the carpet rather than addressed.

Would not surprise me if someone fires a paedo round at UKIP next in order to discredit them now the racist accusation has flopped.

FiF

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44,305 posts

253 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Mr_B said:
Once again the UK wets itself that it might be seen to be racist, panics and rushes in with a dumb decision to prove its not.
I think Rotherham has much more pressing issues of actual failed child care with racial overtones that have been buried to worry about
Indeed, utterly spot on.

Apologies for quoting myself from the "Rape Gang thread" but I just want to show how seriously the situation in Rotherham stinks.

FiF said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
FiF said:
Look, some of these officials have a lot to answer for. Rotherham council offered one girl who had been abused from the age of 12, lessons in Urdu and Punjabi to help her "understand."

A 13 year old girl was found drunk in a derelict house at 3am with a large group of adult males who had given her vodka. The girl was arrested for a public order offence, the men walked.


Speechless. Something stinks here.
if that's true it really is breathtaking

who are the 'officials'? social services or police?
Both, link and many apologies for the Daily Soovy link but there are others. These are the handiest to me of information that is now in the public domain.

Laura Wilson was murdered for exposing the men who were abusing her and so she had brought shame on their families. Council officials had known for 6 years that she was at risk.

A 2010 report from the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board said the crimes had ‘cultural characteristics ... which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity’, but warned of ‘sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships’.

I'm ashamed that we, as a society, have allowed this to happen. To be honest I think that if society taken in the widest context had known this was going on then things would have been acted upon.
Maybe actions will now be taken? At least some of these people will now, hopefully, be sacked.

InsigniaSRI

22 posts

141 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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I heard this on the radio this morning. I am lost for words. Is this what happens in our country now? Or have I been teleported 50 years back in time and moved to East Germany? or some other fascist police state? Do the child snatchers in question walk with a limp and wear long black leather coats?

Disgusting.. 100% no other way to describe this. I prey these child snatchers come to a painful end.. Something similar to a mash up of a final destination/human centipede movie will do nicely.

XCP

16,963 posts

230 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Grenoble said:
Not really, it's a perfect model of democracy that someone who is "anti" - and wants to fundamentally change an institution can stand on that platform and be elected.

I'd find it stranger if he stood on a pro-Europe platform and then tried to challenge and change it.
He is an MEP, who, if he had his way, would not be elected. That is odd to me.

purplepolarbear

474 posts

176 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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odyssey2200 said:
purplepolarbear said:
Oakey said:
purplepolarbear said:
I'm sure they wouldn't do so deliberately, but it would be difficult to hide it from the kids and the kids would have some understanding, maybe misinformed, that UKIP isn't a good thing for people from their country in the UK. Hence they wouldn't trust the foster parents and feel loved by them.
Do you have material from whatever political party you support littered all over your house?
No, but UKIP would, I presume, send its members a newsletter. The kids may for example pick up the post and see this and realise the parents subscribe to it. I don't think it would be possible for the parents to hide this completely.
So would a Labour Party newsletter be OK?
What about a Tory one?

Why is UKIPs policy so unacceptable?
I don't think the policy is unacceptable and it would be fine if the kids were from the UK or outside the EU. I have read their manifesto and support some of their policies but not others.

However, here, the main thing is the kids grow up in an environment where they feel loved and secure.

The party is not racist, but there is a perception that it is supported by people hostile to foreigners, especially Eastern Europeans. The kids might think the parents don't like people from their country if they know they are members of the party. They may therefore think, wrongly, the parents don't like them.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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purplepolarbear said:
The party is not racist, but there is a perception that it is supported by people hostile to foreigners.....
I would be asking myself - Who fosters that perception, and why?

Borghetto

3,274 posts

185 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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XCP said:
He is an MEP, who, if he had his way, would not be elected. That is odd to me.
What is odd about that. In order for a party to exert influence, it must elect its members to the parliaments where decisions are made. Or would yopu rather he just tried the revolutionary method of political change?

XCP

16,963 posts

230 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Borghetto said:
What is odd about that. In order for a party to exert influence, it must elect its members to the parliaments where decisions are made. Or would yopu rather he just tried the revolutionary method of political change?
Decisions about our membership of the EU are made in Westminster. I would have thought it better to start there.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

211 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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XCP said:
Borghetto said:
What is odd about that. In order for a party to exert influence, it must elect its members to the parliaments where decisions are made. Or would yopu rather he just tried the revolutionary method of political change?
Decisions about our membership of the EU are made in Westminster. I would have thought it better to start there.
The decision to be in the EU was made in Westminster, but if you can actually influence whatthe EU is and does,......

elster

17,517 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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XCP said:
Borghetto said:
What is odd about that. In order for a party to exert influence, it must elect its members to the parliaments where decisions are made. Or would yopu rather he just tried the revolutionary method of political change?
Decisions about our membership of the EU are made in Westminster. I would have thought it better to start there.
If you wanted to come from that angle then the whole process would probably take a century before you get a minimum influence.

The change in politics in Westminster is not something that happens quickly.

By having a platform as MEPs works well for them to build a party.


MX7

7,902 posts

176 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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BOR said:
MX7 said:
There is an explanation as to what's happened there. Joyce Thacker even says that she believes that UKIP has a policy of "ending multiculturalism". It doesn't, and she's a fking moron.
UKIP-Manifesto said:
End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies.
Seems like it does to me.
What makes you believe that UKIP wants to end multiculturalism?



Digga

40,458 posts

285 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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MX7 said:
BOR said:
MX7 said:
There is an explanation as to what's happened there. Joyce Thacker even says that she believes that UKIP has a policy of "ending multiculturalism". It doesn't, and she's a fking moron.
UKIP-Manifesto said:
End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies.
Seems like it does to me.
What makes you believe that UKIP wants to end multiculturalism?
I think this is a semantic issue. UKIP certainly want to end the blanket, top-down multicultural experiment - the sort that brands anyone who questioned if a racist (and spawns the sort of ill-judged opinions this issue highlights) - but they are emphatically not against immigrants from othger cultures living and working here.

The discredited, unfettered immigration without integration is still, apparently, strong with Labour diehards.

bobo

1,702 posts

280 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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it looks like even Russia or China is more democratic than the UK now .... well done lefties your stupidity and touch with reality knows no bounds... and what a PR coup for UKIP.


Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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MX7 said:
What makes you believe that UKIP wants to end multiculturalism?
There might be a clue in the policies set out on their website,

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1499-imm...

"End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies".



elster

17,517 posts

212 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
MX7 said:
What makes you believe that UKIP wants to end multiculturalism?
There might be a clue in the policies set out on their website,

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1499-imm...

"End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies".
The libertarian approach is to stop the approach of diversity consultants and if it happens it happens not try to force it.

Bearing in mind most people I know in UKIP couldn't be more multicultural.

JMGS4

8,741 posts

272 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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Going by this stupid ruling the Minigland bros should have been removed from circulation as their parents are/were rampant commies. But the daft lefties wouldn't accept that......
Britain is no longer a democracy, it's ruled by daft lefties and greenslime. Time for a revolution methinks!!!

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

211 months

Saturday 24th November 2012
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JMGS4 said:
Going by this stupid ruling the Minigland bros should have been removed from circulation as their parents are/were rampant commies. But the daft lefties wouldn't accept that......
Britain is no longer a democracy, it's ruled by daft lefties and greenslime. Time for a revolution methinks!!!
yes

tank