Boris Island

[ViperDave]

GT03ROB said:

nonuts said:

You may want to also look outside London, starting with Slough, Bracknell, Reading etc. They each have a huge number of very large companies UK headquarters. If there is no decent airport on the west of London and Boris island happens it will mean all of these people will need to travel across or around London to get to the airport, which from my point of view sounds like a bad idea.

Very true. Draw an arc from the A3 to the M40, out as far as say Woking, Basingstoke, see how many multinationals you capture. They are there for may reasons... easy access to LHR being one of the keys. Move your main airport to the other side of London & see what happens.

Yeah, people moaning that LHR is difficult to get to, but the alternatives are to put it further into the bottom right of the country and put London between it and most of the country, with a bloody great river blocking the route from one direction. Ok the M25 around A3-M40 is the busy bit, but at least they can slap a few more lanes/new express route on it without having to build a whacking great bridge.

[nonuts]

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow?

T5 yes other than the occasional security annoyance early in the morning, T4 ish and the other mess I'm not sure I'd say 'enjoy' but they're being replaced.

The central bus terminal needs sorting out but I assume that's already part of the refurbishment of the old terminals.

[toppstuff]

Problem solved.

Send me my fee.

[ViperDave]

nonuts said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow?

T5 yes other than the occasional security annoyance early in the morning, T4 ish and the other mess I'm not sure I'd say 'enjoy' but they're being replaced.

The central bus terminal needs sorting out but I assume that's already part of the refurbishment of the old terminals.

I have to agree, whilst there are irritations with LHR, Returning to LGW a couple of weeks ago served to remind me T5 actually isn't all that bad. LGW north now seems to be a rabbit warren of twists and turns to get from the aircraft to immigration, seriously expected to turn up at an immigration desk in Heathrow we seemed to walk so far.

T5 is just a shame like everything we seem to do, we spend so long doing it, by the time its here its already run out of capacity

Edited by ViperDave on Friday 19th July 13:31

[0000]

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

[collateral]

I love t5, although I find the other terminals hit and miss - unless you already know where you are going the roundabouts are a ballache

[toppstuff]

0000 said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

Bristol airport is more like Somerset Airport though, to be fair. Its way too far south of Brizzol to be useful to many.

[GT03ROB]

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow?

Why not, it's not hugely different to many other airports. In the last year I've been through T1, T3, T4 & T5, Schipol, Rotterdam, Frankfurt, Grenoble, Bodrum, Jeddah, Damman, Bahrain, Hong Kong, Manila, Washington, Newark, Los Angeles, Houston and Greenville.

To be honest most western airports are much of a muchness. They are rarely pleasurable to be in. All I ask is easy access & no significant queues. Heathrow ticks these 2 boxes.

[ViperDave]

toppstuff said:

0000 said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

Bristol airport is more like Somerset Airport though, to be fair. Its way too far south of Brizzol to be useful to many.

A bit like Boris island then

[toppstuff]

ViperDave said:

toppstuff said:

0000 said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

Bristol airport is more like Somerset Airport though, to be fair. Its way too far south of Brizzol to be useful to many.

A bit like Boris island then

Not at all if they build good access. I think the Isle of Grain would work quite well.

Bristol airport does not have good access.

[IroningMan]

ViperDave said:

toppstuff said:

0000 said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

Bristol airport is more like Somerset Airport though, to be fair. Its way too far south of Brizzol to be useful to many.

A bit like Boris island then

Pre-2006 I was seated on a JEA flight Bristol-Belfast 44 minutes after I left my house, which is a 40 minute drive from Bristol Airport...

[ViperDave]

toppstuff said:

ViperDave said:

toppstuff said:

0000 said:

IroningMan said:

Does anyone enjoy using Heathrow? Every time I've had to go to the States it's been Bristol-Schipol and on from there: the only thing that has less appeal than using LHR is using public transport to get to it.

I far prefer using Heathrow to Bristol and I live in the West Country.

Bristol airport is more like Somerset Airport though, to be fair. Its way too far south of Brizzol to be useful to many.

A bit like Boris island then

Not at all if they build good access. I think the Isle of Grain would work quite well.

Bristol airport does not have good access.

How are they going to get everyone living up the M40, M4 M3 around London, then pick up all the people from the M1 A1 M11, get them all across the river, then 20 miles further into the south east of the country. Even if they build a new bridge/tunnel it will be over loaded before its finished and not a small matter to build another one.

Move the London hub to the other side of London and we may as well say goodbye to all the multinationals in the Thames valley. Doubt the will move their HQ to Kent, Probably just bugger off to china and be done with it.

Lets just accept LHR is in the right place, The air traffic over London is probably actually the quietest bit of the SE. Take a look at flightradar24, especially when they are landing to the east, the only bit clear is central London. When they are coming in over London, they are all in a line and its probably the least likely place for a mid air collision, that's going to happen out in the stacks if it ever does.

[LHRFlightman]

Actually the London Teminal Manouvering Area is one of the busiest in the world. But there is room for more as most of the procedures are based around ancient technology and with new RNP designs there is a lot more capacity in the system.

[ViperDave]

LHRFlightman said:

Actually the London Teminal Manouvering Area is one of the busiest in the world. But there is room for more as most of the procedures are based around ancient technology and with new RNP designs there is a lot more capacity in the system.

Yeah I don't doubt that, but the aircraft actually over central London seem to be few compared to those just to the north and south of London where the stacks are and subsequent routes to finals, When they are on easterly ops the take offs seem to turn rapidly and go out to the north or south, whilst incomings fill up the countryside before proceeding to slough leaving a big hole over central London for a lot of the time.

[LHRFlightman]

Have a look at the maps for 2012 here:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/noise/noise-in-your...

[ViperDave]

LHRFlightman said:

Have a look at the maps for 2012 here:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/noise/noise-in-your...

That kind of supports what I was saying for easterly ops, but surprised by the location of the convergence zone for westerly landings, whenever I have come in over London we always seem to be out over the dome and straight from there.

[anonymous-user]

All this talk of islands and ships that may blow up and birds and expanding Heathrow is utterly pointless when the sttest road in the world the M25 cannot cope with the load it has to deal with now


Piece of st hateful hateful road.

[bad company]

There is an excellent case being made for the expansion of Stansted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-2337689...

Predictably the small but well organised and very vocal minority group are getting going again. Surely this cannot be allowed to succeed - http://www.stopstanstedexpansion.com/

[MarshPhantom]

The M25 is a problem. For people coming from the west it could add a good 2 hrs or more to their journey compared with Heathrow.

[bad company]

MarshPhantom said:

The M25 is a problem. For people coming from the west it could add a good 2 hrs or more to their journey compared with Heathrow.

True but Heathrow would surely still be there serving as you say those from the West.

Wherever the airport goes it will be difficult for some people. Stansted just seems to offer the best solution by far.