Give us a fracking break!
Discussion
The Don of Croy said:
This Balcombe drama is manna from heaven for our local TV news - they've not had this much hyperbole to spray about since foot 'n mouth stalked the land.
Last night we were treated - I use the word advisedly - to the ramblings of Bianca Jagger, well known energy guru and possibly a scientist to boot (no? then why talk to her...?) who feels she must lend her support to the downtrodden of Sussex (them's that's struggling still with an iPhone 3 and patchy G4 coverage).
The plod married to my hairdresser is loving the overtime, but she's less amused about his long hours waking the bairns during the holidays. First world problem?
This is the price of liberal progressive socialism. Benefit-based 'professional' protestors moving from the Bexhill road widening scheme (current estimate of added cost £3million+) to picket a legal and (so far) uncontroversial drilling site, again with a view to antagonising all and sundry because they have a view which should be heard above all others. Tossers.
Trouble is, they are pandering to the great unwashed. The vast majority of the village don't want these idiots there. I never thought I'd say this but out of the mainstream media the only one that has recognized this is The Sun (of all people!) http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/5036...Last night we were treated - I use the word advisedly - to the ramblings of Bianca Jagger, well known energy guru and possibly a scientist to boot (no? then why talk to her...?) who feels she must lend her support to the downtrodden of Sussex (them's that's struggling still with an iPhone 3 and patchy G4 coverage).
The plod married to my hairdresser is loving the overtime, but she's less amused about his long hours waking the bairns during the holidays. First world problem?
This is the price of liberal progressive socialism. Benefit-based 'professional' protestors moving from the Bexhill road widening scheme (current estimate of added cost £3million+) to picket a legal and (so far) uncontroversial drilling site, again with a view to antagonising all and sundry because they have a view which should be heard above all others. Tossers.
Living ½ mile from the protest site, my life has been more disrupted by the protest than it has drilling.
Note the word drilling. They only have a permit to drill (and that's an existing borehole).
And the 82% against argument, that was out of a return of circa 220 returns, which is poor given there are 770 households in the village.
The parish council actually put together a pretty good report containing a lot of fact, out to us a few months ago and it satisfied me and it seems quite a lot of the population. I guess Cuadrilla could have probably engaged with the community a bit more but then I guess they knew this would be what would happen.
Might start taking down pots of tea to the coppers down there tonight.
Guam said:
All the usual b
ks was coming out, industrialisation of the countryside etc etc etc. WTF are wind farms then? Works of frigging art?
Ah yes but when it comes down to it they don't actually give a toss about the countryside; if they cared about cluttering up the view they'd have a wash and get rid of those sks was coming out, industrialisation of the countryside etc etc etc. WTF are wind farms then? Works of frigging art?tty old vans for starters. It's being seen to support the right cause that's important. Be thankful we have so little sun in this country. Of course, it helps to have the encouragement of certain politicians, whose support for green 'technology' has everything to do with the science behind Global Warming. Nothing to do with their families standing to profit... Oh no.
Edited by Roy Lime on Wednesday 31st July 18:19
The Don of Croy said:
This Balcombe drama is manna from heaven for our local TV news - they've not had this much hyperbole to spray about since foot 'n mouth stalked the land.
Last night we were treated - I use the word advisedly - to the ramblings of Bianca Jagger, well known energy guru and possibly a scientist to boot (no? then why talk to her...?) who feels she must lend her support to the downtrodden of Sussex (them's that's struggling still with an iPhone 3 and patchy G4 coverage).
The plod married to my hairdresser is loving the overtime, but she's less amused about his long hours waking the bairns during the holidays. First world problem?
This is the price of liberal progressive socialism. Benefit-based 'professional' protestors moving from the Bexhill road widening scheme (current estimate of added cost £3million+) to picket a legal and (so far) uncontroversial drilling site, again with a view to antagonising all and sundry because they have a view which should be heard above all others. Tossers.
That sums up the mess we allow and see these dolts inflicting on law abiding citizens and companies operating within the law so perfectly. Last night we were treated - I use the word advisedly - to the ramblings of Bianca Jagger, well known energy guru and possibly a scientist to boot (no? then why talk to her...?) who feels she must lend her support to the downtrodden of Sussex (them's that's struggling still with an iPhone 3 and patchy G4 coverage).
The plod married to my hairdresser is loving the overtime, but she's less amused about his long hours waking the bairns during the holidays. First world problem?
This is the price of liberal progressive socialism. Benefit-based 'professional' protestors moving from the Bexhill road widening scheme (current estimate of added cost £3million+) to picket a legal and (so far) uncontroversial drilling site, again with a view to antagonising all and sundry because they have a view which should be heard above all others. Tossers.
It's about time the cost they add was recouped from them, forcibly, either by taking from their benefits (or earned income, if any?), seizing property or enforcing labour - social projects and so on; road building would be nice.
The more liberal denizens of PH might think I'm being unduly harsh but I really would start to put these clots into internment camps.
Roy Lime said:
Ah yes but when it comes down to it they don't actually give a toss about the countryside; if they cared about cluttering up the view they'd have a wash and get rid of those stty old vans for starters. It's being seen to support the right cause that's important.
No! No, I won't have this!tty old vans for starters. It's being seen to support the right cause that's important.Some of those vans are absolute classics. There was a superb Bedford CF camper and a gorgeous Mk1 Transit hitop, and unlike the stinking bewhiskered towsle-haired old w
e driving it, would find a home in any true car lover's collection.andymadmak said:
bloke in comment section on Vice said:
Drilling of the well is the only time at which the water table may be disturbed and, at this stage no toxic chemicals are used. Once the drill has passed steel casings are inserted to a depth of 1,000 to 3,000 feet, and the space between the casing and the drilled hole is filled with concrete to stabilize the well and prevent any leakage.
This process is repeated until the reservoir is reached, usually a distance of 6,000 to 10,000 feet. Thus the borehole is completely isolated from the water table. Typical hydraulic fracturing mixture is 95 percent water, 4.5 percent sand and 0.5 percent chemical additives.
Sounds safe enough to me.This process is repeated until the reservoir is reached, usually a distance of 6,000 to 10,000 feet. Thus the borehole is completely isolated from the water table. Typical hydraulic fracturing mixture is 95 percent water, 4.5 percent sand and 0.5 percent chemical additives.
When drilling through the aquifer, there will be some invasion by the drilling fluid.
There could be a large invasion if there are fractures or fairly weak layers were the hydrostatic or
hydrodynamic pressure (usually called ECD). Is great that the break down strength of the rock.
This can involve fairly large volumes before fixing the "losses" several 100m3 or as low as 10m3.
The section is only cased off once drilled, unless Cuadrilla are using Casing while Drilling which I have not seen any suggestion of in press releases.
Not unheard of to get a bad cement job, so no annular isolation, though Cuadrilla would be required to do remedial isolation work.
From what I gather the Balcombe well is an oil appraisal well with no fracking involved.
What is even more laughable about this, is Conoco drilled the original well back in 1986
So not really a new situation to the area and there seems to have been little mention if any of environmental impact in the last 20 odd years since.
PlankWithANailIn said:
These protesters must be forced to tell us what they would do, protesting about the ills of the world is not good enough without also providing a solution.
This will out them and then we can all laugh or scream or applaud depending on our leaders preference.
You'll therefore be pleased to know that a quick visit to CiF over at the Grauniad will provide 'insight' - apparently renewables are the answer, including solar, wave power, tidal, windfarms and possibly made-up-green-energy-source.This will out them and then we can all laugh or scream or applaud depending on our leaders preference.
The fact that none of these has hitherto proved itself our saviour is down to 'BigOil' and a lack of investment...
Oh, and apparently you can create more jobs through insulating homes than this fracking will provide. I kid you not.
Radio 5 Live did an interview with one of these turds just before 1.00pm who was from Blackpool, down to protest and to prove how real the earthquake threat was. He described how his house shook violently (got "violently" in at least twice) and made the bed-head bang repeatedly against the wall.
He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
When pressed by the journalist Mr. Blackpool demonstrated his true colours by going on to add that he was against the threat to the water supply, to the pollution and to the damage to the atmosphere and... So a typical greenist with larger motives at play.
He was challenged by a local - who described these scum as a 'rent-a-mob' who don't represent the villagers and have despoiled it - who told him to get back and protest in Blackpool. Said local was then shouted down by a snooty woman who claimed to be local ("I'm from Forest Hills." "So you're not a local, get back to Forest Hills"!)
The real local then reminded them that this wasn't about fracking anyway and that the oil well had been there for 20 odd years to which she instantly tried shouting him down again, asking if he was employed by Cuadrilla! She denied being rented, telling him that she (unusually?) wasn't on benefits and had given up her walking holiday to take the week off to protest. Cretin.
She also tried the '80% of locals against it' angle. The murdering denialist kitten killer then got her on the percentages knowing it was 80% of 30% of respondents ("Don't try that line on." Do hope he's a PHer!
Luckily Peter Lilley was allowed the final say and pointed out that there had been no earthquakes that had caused damage to people or buildings, or water supply poisoning, in 2.5 million wells dug so far, including 2000 in the UK, representing a great real-life case study of actual dangers. That the claims are invalid - scares hijacked by people who are just against fossil fuel use and want the gas to stay underground. Good on him.
He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
When pressed by the journalist Mr. Blackpool demonstrated his true colours by going on to add that he was against the threat to the water supply, to the pollution and to the damage to the atmosphere and... So a typical greenist with larger motives at play.
He was challenged by a local - who described these scum as a 'rent-a-mob' who don't represent the villagers and have despoiled it - who told him to get back and protest in Blackpool. Said local was then shouted down by a snooty woman who claimed to be local ("I'm from Forest Hills." "So you're not a local, get back to Forest Hills"!)
The real local then reminded them that this wasn't about fracking anyway and that the oil well had been there for 20 odd years to which she instantly tried shouting him down again, asking if he was employed by Cuadrilla! She denied being rented, telling him that she (unusually?) wasn't on benefits and had given up her walking holiday to take the week off to protest. Cretin.
She also tried the '80% of locals against it' angle. The murdering denialist kitten killer then got her on the percentages knowing it was 80% of 30% of respondents ("Don't try that line on." Do hope he's a PHer!
Luckily Peter Lilley was allowed the final say and pointed out that there had been no earthquakes that had caused damage to people or buildings, or water supply poisoning, in 2.5 million wells dug so far, including 2000 in the UK, representing a great real-life case study of actual dangers. That the claims are invalid - scares hijacked by people who are just against fossil fuel use and want the gas to stay underground. Good on him.
The Don of Croy said:
Oh, and apparently you can create more jobs through insulating homes than this fracking will provide. I kid you not.
That's probably true TBH; retro-fitting insulation is labour-intensive, drilling holes is mostly a few blokes manning a derrick(although we'll need a metric stload of them for shale gas to have an effect on energy prices before 2020.AnonSpoilSport said:
Radio 5 Live did an interview with one of these turds just before 1.00pm who was from Blackpool, down to protest and to prove how real the earthquake threat was. He described how his house shook violently (got "violently" in at least twice) and made the bed-head bang repeatedly against the wall.
He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
I get that when a HGV drives past the house at more than a snail's pace; can we ban those too? He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
hidetheelephants said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Radio 5 Live did an interview with one of these turds just before 1.00pm who was from Blackpool, down to protest and to prove how real the earthquake threat was. He described how his house shook violently (got "violently" in at least twice) and made the bed-head bang repeatedly against the wall.
He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
I get that when a HGV drives past the house at more than a snail's pace; can we ban those too? He then added that after all this (many seconds!) he actually woke up. So experienced? But he knew it was an earthquake because the lamp shade was shaking, and he's experienced earthquakes in Britain before (so?) and a public inquiry proved it and, and, and.
Well there does seem to be a certain polarization here.
Perhaps NOT glorifying over RTA's and more the studied, educational and informative approach might be, in the long term, a better approach.
Or perhaps not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQMA0zwMM4
HAHAHAHA its in the wind
Perhaps NOT glorifying over RTA's and more the studied, educational and informative approach might be, in the long term, a better approach.
Or perhaps not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQMA0zwMM4
HAHAHAHA its in the wind
Mojocvh said:
Well there does seem to be a certain polarization here.
Perhaps NOT glorifying over RTA's and more the studied, educational and informative approach might be, in the long term, a better approach.
Or perhaps not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQMA0zwMM4
HAHAHAHA its in the wind
Wow, it's been a surprisingly long time since you've posted one of your tiresome and pointless sloganeering cartoons. Bet you've missed it. Perhaps NOT glorifying over RTA's and more the studied, educational and informative approach might be, in the long term, a better approach.
Or perhaps not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQMA0zwMM4
HAHAHAHA its in the wind
Didn't you have full access to the <http://www.on_line_green_bank.com/neindankecrap/> reservoir in the teepee?
mybrainhurts said:
voyds9 said:
They only reduced the tax, it's not like wind/water/sun where we are giving them money.
Let me translate that for you...Wantonly pissing away billions on useless technology to solve a problem that doesn't exist...
That about covers it.
But, getting back on topic, the burning water thing, if proved, is worrying, it needs to be addressed.
The fact that, despite the governments "blah", the equipment needed to frack is sourced outwith the EU and therefore subject to EU import approval and sanctions seems to have missed a lot of the "informed" posters on here.
Fracking, in our country, has the possibility to release massive amounts of energy.
Just don't expect your energy bills to reduce in the slightest due to shale gas.
Mojocvh said:
mybrainhurts said:
voyds9 said:
They only reduced the tax, it's not like wind/water/sun where we are giving them money.
Let me translate that for you...Wantonly pissing away billions on useless technology to solve a problem that doesn't exist...
That about covers it.
But, getting back on topic, the burning water thing, if proved, is worrying, it needs to be addressed.
vonuber said:
Shell for example made a first quarter profit this year of £5.1bn - i suspect they could quite easily fund the startup (especially considering the return to be made).
Personally we should look to exploit it in a Norway style (i.e. invest for the countries future, rainy day fund etc) - sadly I know it will all go to a bunch of shareholders with a few MP's ending up on the boards of the companies.
Ahhhh, the British way!Personally we should look to exploit it in a Norway style (i.e. invest for the countries future, rainy day fund etc) - sadly I know it will all go to a bunch of shareholders with a few MP's ending up on the boards of the companies.
mybrainhurts said:
Mojocvh said:
mybrainhurts said:
voyds9 said:
They only reduced the tax, it's not like wind/water/sun where we are giving them money.
Let me translate that for you...Wantonly pissing away billions on useless technology to solve a problem that doesn't exist...
That about covers it.
But, getting back on topic, the burning water thing, if proved, is worrying, it needs to be addressed.
Now, down to the dirty practicalities, do you actually have a clue?
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