Operation Trojan Horse

[gpo746]

BlackLabel said:

Newsnight covered this last night. They had a head teacher of one of the 'Trojan horse' schools on and the man could not even condemn stoning people to death or cutting hands off for theft etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JlUMY8l6bE

Seemed a very reasonable softly spoken person
Frightening isn't it.

[Mermaid]

gpo746 said:

BlackLabel said:

Newsnight covered this last night. They had a head teacher of one of the 'Trojan horse' schools on and the man could not even condemn stoning people to death or cutting hands off for theft etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JlUMY8l6bE

Seemed a very reasonable softly spoken person
Frightening isn't it.

Probably now a super hero amongst some Muslims.

[Digga]

Mermaid said:

gpo746 said:

BlackLabel said:

Newsnight covered this last night. They had a head teacher of one of the 'Trojan horse' schools on and the man could not even condemn stoning people to death or cutting hands off for theft etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JlUMY8l6bE

Seemed a very reasonable softly spoken person
Frightening isn't it.

Probably now a super hero amongst some Muslims.

A white Geordie Muslim; some sort of super-hybrid. He came across as very evasive - the chap from Quilliam Foundation appeared more articulate and honest.

[Mermaid]

Digga said:

A white Geordie Muslim; some sort of super-hybrid. He came across as very evasive - the chap from Quilliam Foundation appeared more articulate and honest.

That's clear to the wider audience, and really I am surprised Paxman did not paxman him, perhaps not PC.

[gpo746]

Mermaid said:

Digga said:

A white Geordie Muslim; some sort of super-hybrid. He came across as very evasive - the chap from Quilliam Foundation appeared more articulate and honest.

That's clear to the wider audience, and really I am surprised Paxman did not paxman him, perhaps not PC.

But on the other hand someone will pop up soon to reassure us there is nothing in it, it's all a mistake etc. As they often know best it's reassuring that they can find the time to re assure us.

[Pickled Piper]

Don't blame the Geordie Muslim. He's just doing what many Muslims do, after twenty years of the authorities and PC brigade telling them that their world view is just as valid as anybody else's, and that society values the diversity that they bring to the UK.

Now all of a sudden we are telling him that his views are abhorrent.

[tali1]

Funny way to islamify one of the schools in question by appointing a ........s..i...k...h headteacher.Friend of mine knows the chairman of the academy very well -describes him as a coconut.

[Derek Smith]

Many more such horses are around:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/...

It really is quite worrying.

[carinaman]

About 7-8 minutes in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b045c666

[zcacogp]

Derek Smith said:

Many more such horses are around:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/...

It really is quite worrying.

Good point and well made, but I don't believe that the other examples teach the destruction of their host society - something that 'muslim'/'islamic' schools seem remarkably good at.


Oli.

[Derek Smith]

zcacogp said:

Derek Smith said:

Many more such horses are around:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/...

It really is quite worrying.

Good point and well made, but I don't believe that the other examples teach the destruction of their host society - something that 'muslim'/'islamic' schools seem remarkably good at.

Oli.

Whilst I accept your point, religious fundamentalism, which some of these schools teach, would be the destruction of the current society.

I remember reading or seeing on the TV a comment about naming of celestial bodies, scientific systems and such. It was pointed out that during the enlightenment in the middle east, where science was allowed to flourish, they got to name the bits they discovered. Then the west took over. The reason for this was islamification of the systems of government and teaching, meaning that anything that challenged the book was made a crime to teach. So they dropped back into barbarism.

We have schools in this country teaching Adam and Eve as fact. We have schools which teach their bible's version of the creation of the universe. The fact that I pay for these schools out of my taxes is but a side issue, but an important one to me. What is more important is that kids are being indoctrinated, having religious myths taught just as if they were real. This is alarming.

I was taught at CofE schools in the 50s and 60s but even though we had 'religious education'. i.e. some vicar pontificating, even they didn't have the cheek to suggest that the bible was true.

Another side issue is that some schools in essence suggest that only virgins can be good. This victimises women, lessens them. (This despite Mary not becoming a virgin until the 18thC I think.

[gpo746]

Satv Navs can get it wrong and end up sending you on daft detours too.
people that abide in Brum know what this is really about.

[Pickled Piper]

zcacogp said:

Derek Smith said:

Many more such horses are around:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/...

It really is quite worrying.

Good point and well made, but I don't believe that the other examples teach the destruction of their host society - something that 'muslim'/'islamic' schools seem remarkably good at.


Oli.

Absolutely spot on. Designate them Muslim schools and let them get on with it.

[BlackLabel]

Such brainwashing of young boys and girls is akin to child abuse imo. What a disgrace that it is going on in Britain today.

Sunday Times said:

Muslim teacher spoke of ‘white prostitutes’ to children in assembly

CHILDREN as young as six were told that white women were “prostitutes” and urged to join in anti-Christian chants at a school embroiled in the Trojan Horse controversy.

A report by the Education Funding Agency (EFA) into the Oldknow Academy primary school in Birmingham, obtained by The Sunday Times, says the school is “taking on the practices of an Islamic faith school and in this regard is not promoting community cohesion”.

The document reveals that non-Muslim staff were banned from taking Friday assemblies so that pupils could be “preached at”.

Staff told inspectors “that during Friday assembly occasionally words have been used such as ‘white prostitute’ and ‘hellfire’ which they felt were inappropriate for young children”.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Education/article1420173.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_06_07

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651700/He... <-----non paywall link

[turbobloke]

CoolHands said:

LOL ofsted what a joke. They gave oldknow academy outstanding in all areas last year. They have now been re-inspected and are due to be put into special measures (Ch4 news, earlier). What's changed between last year & this? Nothing.

Not quite nothing, surely?

The thing that has changed is a whistleblower blowing the whistle.

If determined to do so, schools and in particular their governing bodies can conceal 'silent policies'.

The special measures judgement is (apparently) linked to the school's failure to tackle the promotion of extremism. That represents new news for the latest inspection.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Derek Smith said:

We have schools in this country teaching Adam and Eve as fact. We have schools which teach their bible's version of the creation of the universe. The fact that I pay for these schools out of my taxes is but a side issue, but an important one to me. What is more important is that kids are being indoctrinated, having religious myths taught just as if they were real. This is alarming.

It's just appalling. Apparently there are 45 "Christian" schools in the UK teaching creationism as fact, despite that fact that even most Christians realise it's total bks.

If I had my way people would be going to jail for these crimes against children.

[Four Litre]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Derek Smith said:

We have schools in this country teaching Adam and Eve as fact. We have schools which teach their bible's version of the creation of the universe. The fact that I pay for these schools out of my taxes is but a side issue, but an important one to me. What is more important is that kids are being indoctrinated, having religious myths taught just as if they were real. This is alarming.

It's just appalling. Apparently there are 45 "Christian" schools in the UK teaching creationism as fact, despite that fact that even most Christians realise it's total bks.

If I had my way people would be going to jail for these crimes against children.

Agreed, however what's the worst that could happen, they come out of school and like to help people. The other may choose to blow himself up, butcher somebody to death in the street, crash an aeroplane into a city etc etc.

[Westy Pre-Lit]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/articl...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652389/Sc...

Apparently dawn raids are going to take place now.

But before they do, best stick notice on the front page of every news paper and make it headline news in every media report..........is it me ?

[turbobloke]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/articl...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652389/Sc...

Apparently dawn raids are going to take place now.

From the Daily Mail link 09 June 2014:
Prime Minister demands an end to two days' notice for Ofsted inspections.
Chief Inspector of Schools Sir Michael Wilshaw asked to investigate plan.

From Ofsted 10 Jan 2012:
Ofsted announces plans for no-notice inspection for schools

Ofsted’s new Chief Inspector, Sir Michael Wilshaw, has announced plans to introduce no-notice inspections for all regular school inspections from September 2012. Ofsted already undertakes unannounced inspections in a number of circumstances, including where concerns are raised about a school and for some satisfactory schools that do not show enough capacity to improve.

- - -

The point of making all inspections no-notice is new but the option and the reality has existed for some time, at least "planning" shouldn't take long 'stop phoning the victims two days beforehand and just roll up'. Sorted.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Four Litre said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Derek Smith said:

We have schools in this country teaching Adam and Eve as fact. We have schools which teach their bible's version of the creation of the universe. The fact that I pay for these schools out of my taxes is but a side issue, but an important one to me. What is more important is that kids are being indoctrinated, having religious myths taught just as if they were real. This is alarming.

It's just appalling. Apparently there are 45 "Christian" schools in the UK teaching creationism as fact, despite that fact that even most Christians realise it's total bks.

If I had my way people would be going to jail for these crimes against children.

Agreed, however what's the worst that could happen, they come out of school and like to help people.

No, they could blow up an abortion clinic, or any other mental extreme Christian activity.