CIA lied over brutal interrogations

[pork911]

HD Adam said:

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach.

'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'

[BooHoo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

Wow, we waterboarded and humiliated them......
How awful for them
Perhaps we should have stuck electric probes to their testicles and once they gave information we needed turned the power up and offered them to IMCGMOOH contestants.
They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

let's hope you are never the subject of rendition

I hope so too because they are utter, utter animals and don't play by normal rules.

HoHoHo said:

I've asked a question, are you capable of answering it?
In law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another.
I'm hoping I'm not handed over to ICIS
And you?

Wow, you really are as stupid as I first thought. I hope you get the help you clearly need.

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

Wow, we waterboarded and humiliated them......
How awful for them
Perhaps we should have stuck electric probes to their testicles and once they gave information we needed turned the power up and offered them to IMCGMOOH contestants.
They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

let's hope you are never the subject of rendition

I hope so too because they are utter, utter animals and don't play by normal rules.

HoHoHo said:

I've asked a question, are you capable of answering it?
In law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another.
I'm hoping I'm not handed over to ICIS
And you?

And still you have not managed to explain yourself

Simple to quote I guess.

[KareemK]

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

Have you chosen yet?

For the hard of thinking I'll restate.

A better UK.

There are no circumstances where the only option is keeping the poor status quo or opting for worse. Your question was ridiculous.

Stop being a drama queen! there is no "better U.K.", there is the one that exist here and now. The question the poster put to you was do you want to live in the UK that is in the real world now or some other place? You did not answer that.

Of course there's 'a better UK' Jimbob although I appreciate the blinkered 'country at any cost' types can't see past the 'here and now'. Fortunately society needs those types to serve in the forces for (say) 30 years or more.

A question was asked whose premise I didn't agree with. Kinda like "who would you rather sleep with, your sister or your mother?" Although if you're from the southern states I appreciate the predicament this might raise

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HD Adam said:

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach.

'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'

Getting shouty now are we?

[pork911]

BooHoo said:

Wow, you really are as stupid as I first thought. I hope you get the help you clearly need.

comedy platinum

[Countdown]

heppers75 said:

If you really think that 9/11 ... 7/7 and who knows how many other atrocities are not about sky fairies and fundamental beliefs, irrespective of how much of a perversion of the moderate views of them they are - then honestly you are probably a bit of a barn pot... Or trying to divert away from it because it is your chosen sky fairy... Either way... bless!

And yet Osama gave reasons as to why the US was attacked. I guess is easier for people like yourself and Jimbeaux to accept an airy-fairy reason such as "way of life" rather than actually look for genuine reasons as to why it might ave happened.

[pork911]

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HD Adam said:

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach.

'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'

Getting shouty now are we?

it's a popular culture reference, darling


shouldn't you be mouth reading your error?

[HoHoHo]

BooHoo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

Wow, we waterboarded and humiliated them......
How awful for them
Perhaps we should have stuck electric probes to their testicles and once they gave information we needed turned the power up and offered them to IMCGMOOH contestants.
They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

let's hope you are never the subject of rendition

I hope so too because they are utter, utter animals and don't play by normal rules.

HoHoHo said:

I've asked a question, are you capable of answering it?
In law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another.
I'm hoping I'm not handed over to ICIS
And you?

Wow, you really are as stupid as I first thought. I hope you get the help you clearly need.

[pork911]

HoHoHo said:

And still you have not managed to explain yourself

Simple to quote I guess.

and you think 'idiot' was an insult?

[jshell]

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

You need to educate yourself a little. If you think it was just a religious disagreement then you have a very simple view of life and history. Have a wee read at this: http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat58/sub386/item... you may learn a little about Bin Laden and start to understand his motives, rather than just the fantasy that it was a virtual sky-fairy disagreement!

Just another example of our (well, US) meddling in the middle East: The Iran Contra affair which in effect turned Saddam Hussain against the West, to which he'd previously been a 'friend'. He finds out that during the Iran/Iraq war that the US was supplying him with arms and also that the US was funding arms for his enemy, Iran. So, we have the US funding both sides of the same war! No wonder they hate us. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec...

Again, I present the above not as justification for the atrocities, but as an attempt to understand them outside of the simplistic garbage spouted here in this thread.

If you really think that 9/11 ... 7/7 and who knows how many other atrocities are not about sky fairies and fundamental beliefs, irrespective of how much of a perversion of the moderate views of them they are - then honestly you are probably a bit of a barn pot... Or trying to divert away from it because it is your chosen sky fairy... Either way... bless!

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

[BooHoo]

Countdown said:

Am I misreading something or is HoHoHo equating the behaviour of ISIS with the behaviour of the CIA?

ISIS are poor oppressed followers of the most peaceful religion on earth and they have been goaded into committing acts of depraved violence by the CIA.

[heppers75]

Countdown said:

heppers75 said:

If you really think that 9/11 ... 7/7 and who knows how many other atrocities are not about sky fairies and fundamental beliefs, irrespective of how much of a perversion of the moderate views of them they are - then honestly you are probably a bit of a barn pot... Or trying to divert away from it because it is your chosen sky fairy... Either way... bless!

And yet Osama gave reasons as to why the US was attacked. I guess is easier for people like yourself and Jimbeaux to accept an airy-fairy reason such as "way of life" rather than actually look for genuine reasons as to why it might ave happened.

F**k me... honestly and seriously you religious zealots are so wrapped up in your beliefs system that you won't acknowledge the radical amongst you...

Just f**king wow.. you are moronic to the enths of extremity...

Anything we can do not to say a "brother" did something bad... It HAS to be someone elses fault...

So pathetic it is laughable and indeed makes me weep in equal measure!

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HD Adam said:

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach.

'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'

Getting shouty now are we?

it's a popular culture reference, darling


shouldn't you be mouth reading your error?

A popular cultural reference............darling

I've heard it all now

Don't forget to hit the caps lock button when you reply

[heppers75]

jshell said:

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

And still you have not managed to explain yourself

Simple to quote I guess.

and you think 'idiot' was an insult?

I haven't lowered myself to your level with personal insults because I'm not a thicko.....

Edited to add you've still not managed to explain yourself, not sure if you can?

Please do..........if you can?

Edited by HoHoHo on Tuesday 9th December 22:22

[KareemK]

HD Adam said:

Jimbeaux, we all know he can't answer.

I've deliberately asked him a fixed question like "So, when did you stop beating your wife?" which is unfair in this context.

Of course, we'd all like to live in a better UK or USA but the realists on here know the answer to that.

If you really feel strongly about this Kareem, join Amnesty International or even become a politician and change it from the inside.

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach. Or show your disgust by leaving for somewhere better.

Fool. If you don't like or can't grasp what I'm saying then I'd suggest YOU STFU and go get some comprehension lessons.

[anonymous-user]

heppers75 said:

F**k me... honestly and seriously you religious zealots are so wrapped up in your beliefs system that you won't acknowledge the radical amongst you...

Just f**king wow.. you are moronic to the enths of extremity...

Anything we can do not to say a "brother" did something bad... It HAS to be someone elses fault...

So pathetic it is laughable and indeed makes me weep in equal measure!

Yes, anyone who disagrees with your narrow world view is definitely a zealot wrapped up in a belief system.

[heppers75]

el stovey said:

heppers75 said:

F**k me... honestly and seriously you religious zealots are so wrapped up in your beliefs system that you won't acknowledge the radical amongst you...

Just f**king wow.. you are moronic to the enths of extremity...

Anything we can do not to say a "brother" did something bad... It HAS to be someone elses fault...

So pathetic it is laughable and indeed makes me weep in equal measure!

Yes, anyone who disagrees with your narrow world view is definitely a zealot wrapped up in a belief system.

What narrow world view is that El?

[powerstroke]

There is one certain fact if that fiendstine bh
is involved it will be to cause mischief and further her career !!years ago she started a anti motor sport bill
With backing from a loony left environmental pressure group
(Sierra club) so I would look at past records !!hopefully with a little bit of luck the CIA will waterboard her!!

Edited by powerstroke on Tuesday 9th December 22:24