Jeremy Vine pushbike - incident

[Digga]

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her. It's pointless and is only likely to wind her up into paraoxyms of rage (which it did).

To me, he comes across like one of those people who get enraged by drivers and posts the footage on Youtube.

He seemed to be milking the situation.

I'm not for a minute condoning what she did but he does seem to be stoking the argument.

The fact that he them posted the footage also suggests he has another motive.

Just my opinion, of course

I could not argue with any of this.

[walm]

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her.

Is the right answer.

Stopping someone who is honking at you to lecture them on the importance of avoiding the door zone is a waste of everyone's time.

Just let her past ASAP.

[Digga]

walm said:

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her.

Is the right answer.

Stopping someone who is honking at you to lecture them on the importance of avoiding the door zone is a waste of everyone's time.

Just let her past ASAP.

And the thing was, right at the time she honked, he clearly could heave let her past, with him stopping.

[walm]

Digga said:

walm said:

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her.

Is the right answer.

Stopping someone who is honking at you to lecture them on the importance of avoiding the door zone is a waste of everyone's time.

Just let her past ASAP.

And the thing was, right at the time she honked, he clearly could heave let her past, with him stopping.

In fairness to him, it is a very very hard thing to get your head around.

When being bullied from behind, your first instinct is to speed up, if possible.
Then you remember you are on a bike. So that's not gonna work.

So you have to think... "well, is there any point letting her past, I am just going to catch up with her at the next junction/queue?"
There is inevitably absolutely zero benefit to her journey.

And you are adrenalined up to the eyeballs thinking they might try to run you over at any moment.

So it does take a proper "bigger man" attitude to stop and THEN WAIT for a decent stretch so you avoid encountering them again and get a chance to cool down.

[carinaman]

PurpleTurtle said:

Has she been nicked over the expired VED yet? C'mon there must be a PH'er BiB whose patch she lives on!

'Sorry Sir, not our job anymore. It's the DVLA's job......

[C70R]

walm said:

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her.

Is the right answer.

Stopping someone who is honking at you to lecture them on the importance of avoiding the door zone is a waste of everyone's time.

Just let her past ASAP.

You know what, in isolated incidents, I thoroughly agree with you. I'm neither a confrontational cyclist or driver - I simply couldn't be bothered with the stress of it all, and would much rather have a nice day.

But, from significant past experience, it's not uncommon to come across aggressive and dangerous driving like as a cyclist in London.
After a while, it wears you down.
After a while, even the most placid cyclist could be excused for flipping the bird.
After a while, you almost find yourself anticipating or expecting it.
After a while, you begin to profile the types of road user who would be most likely to do it.
After a while, if you were so inclined, it's not inconceivable that you might wish to make a point.

Although confrontation is clearly the absolutely wrong course of action, it's almost understandable in some circumstances.
Those who have never cycle-commuted regularly would simply not understand.

[walm]

C70R said:

walm said:

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her.

Is the right answer.

Stopping someone who is honking at you to lecture them on the importance of avoiding the door zone is a waste of everyone's time.

Just let her past ASAP.

You know what, in isolated incidents, I thoroughly agree with you. I'm neither a confrontational cyclist or driver - I simply couldn't be bothered with the stress of it all, and would much rather have a nice day.

But, from significant past experience, it's not uncommon to come across aggressive and dangerous driving like as a cyclist in London.
After a while, it wears you down.
After a while, even the most placid cyclist could be excused for flipping the bird.
After a while, you almost find yourself anticipating or expecting it.
After a while, you begin to profile the types of road user who would be most likely to do it.
After a while, if you were so inclined, it's not inconceivable that you might wish to make a point.

Although confrontation is clearly the absolutely wrong course of action, it's almost understandable in some circumstances.
Those who have never cycle-commuted regularly would simply not understand.

100% agree.
It's the epitome of "easier said than done"!

[heebeegeetee]

AC43 said:

I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her. It's pointless and is only likely to wind her up into paraoxyms of rage (which it did).

To me, he comes across like one of those people who get enraged by drivers and posts the footage on Youtube.

He seemed to be milking the situation.

I'm not for a minute condoning what she did but he does seem to be stoking the argument.

The fact that he them posted the footage also suggests he has another motive.

Just my opinion, of course

Has he got lots of similar videos then?

ETA I've had a quick look and I think it appears his last cycling videos were 1 in Jan '14 and 1 in Nov 14 when he was caught speeding in whichever park it has that has speed limits. Doesn't sound vigilante to me.

Edited by heebeegeetee on Wednesday 31st August 17:25

[Ayahuasca]

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

Think about the motivation for having them. For putting the cameras in and out of their little housings. For charging their batteries. For switching them on, both of them, every time he goes out.

Think of how excited he was when finally, after days and days and days of useless footage, he gets a real incident!

Must have been painful to cycle with that hard-on.

[walm]

Ayahuasca said:

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

I am going to go with a completely wild guess and say - one looking forwards and one looking backwards.

[C70R]

Ayahuasca said:

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

Think about the motivation for having them. For putting the cameras in and out of their little housings. For charging their batteries. For switching them on, both of them, every time he goes out.

In all honesty, this is a guy who doesn't really need 5min of fame.

I'd say it's the same reason as the many hundreds of other camera-wearers I see every day (whose videos don't end up on YT, like the vocal minority). So that, in the unlikely event that they are in an accident (resulting in potentially serious injury), it's possible to present evidence to the police/insurers.

Or does that not fit your narrative?

[Ayahuasca]

C70R said:

Ayahuasca said:

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

Think about the motivation for having them. For putting the cameras in and out of their little housings. For charging their batteries. For switching them on, both of them, every time he goes out.

In all honesty, this is a guy who doesn't really need 5min of fame.

I'd say it's the same reason as the many hundreds of other camera-wearers I see every day (whose videos don't end up on YT, like the vocal minority). So that, in the unlikely event that they are in an accident (resulting in potentially serious injury), it's possible to present evidence to the police/insurers.

Or does that not fit your narrative?

I don't have a narrative. But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices. JV wasn't concerned about being in an accident. If he were, he would have moved to the side when there was enough room, and let dangerous angry lady through.

[walm]

Ayahuasca said:

But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices.

Motorists and motorcyclists do it all the time, don't they?
Do you find that weird too?

[anonymous-user]

he doesn't even pay road tax, and her too..

[turbobloke]

C70R said:

Ayahuasca said:

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

Think about the motivation for having them. For putting the cameras in and out of their little housings. For charging their batteries. For switching them on, both of them, every time he goes out.

In all honesty, this is a guy who doesn't really need 5min of fame.

Indeed, but by the very same token he has a ready-made national platform from which to launch any particular crusade he may choose; which crusade do 'we' think he chose this time?!

[WinstonWolf]

Ayahuasca said:

C70R said:

Ayahuasca said:

For what reason does a man have two cameras on his bicycle helmet?

Think about the motivation for having them. For putting the cameras in and out of their little housings. For charging their batteries. For switching them on, both of them, every time he goes out.

In all honesty, this is a guy who doesn't really need 5min of fame.

I'd say it's the same reason as the many hundreds of other camera-wearers I see every day (whose videos don't end up on YT, like the vocal minority). So that, in the unlikely event that they are in an accident (resulting in potentially serious injury), it's possible to present evidence to the police/insurers.

Or does that not fit your narrative?

I don't have a narrative. But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices. JV wasn't concerned about being in an accident. If he were, he would have moved to the side when there was enough room, and let dangerous angry lady through.

Do you find it weird that people have cameras in their cars too?

Here's a thought, perhaps it's because there are tts like this woman on the road that he felt it necessary.

[heebeegeetee]

Ayahuasca said:

I don't have a narrative. But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices.

Bloody hell, the internet is awash with videos from cars, trucks and motorbikes. There's a (second?) lengthy thread on this site for watching and discussing them. Just checked, Volume 2 is currently at 300 pages.

So are you yet another example of expecting cyclists to behave differently from everyone else then?

[Ayahuasca]

heebeegeetee said:

Ayahuasca said:

I don't have a narrative. But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices.

Bloody hell, the internet is awash with videos from cars, trucks and motorbikes. There's a (second?) lengthy thread on this site for watching and discussing them. Just checked, Volume 2 is currently at 300 pages.

So are you yet another example of expecting cyclists to behave differently from everyone else then?

Not anti-cyclist at all, but I think that some of these helmet camera people see themselves as cammed crusaders, and it grates.

Where's the link to the helmet cam guy who has a bit of a rant and then goes arse over tit off his bike when you need it?

[Thorodin]

heebeegeetee said:

I despair, I really do. Riding a bike down the street makes you a target. Road dominance? What a load of bks! The ignorance on this, a supposed car enthusiasts site (implying that we might drive better than the average).

"Dooring is remarkably common" http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/the-law-for-...

Its why I won't cycle in the UK, because of wkers like you two and this woman, because you just can't win. The allowing of cars to be parked on both sides of the street means other road users are brought into direct conflict with each other (as the vid shows) and leaves the vulnerable road users with the choice of riding in the door zone or risking the wrath of those who know little about driving. Like you two.

Oh do grow up! To use your kind of language on a forum exhibits exactly the kind of second hand manufactured rage that was displayed by the car driver! I confess I'm more than a little bit pleased you don't cycle in the UK (what, really? Anywhere in the UK?) When faced with an accident waiting to happen you'd just carry on regardless? You obviously are not old enough to realise that calling people names and abusing them sort of makes you look ridiculous! Come to think of it, why don't you publish just when you will be driving (in the UK) so we can all stay home that day!

Edited by Thorodin on Wednesday 31st August 19:04

[turbobloke]

heebeegeetee said:

Ayahuasca said:

I don't have a narrative. But I do find it weird that cyclists go to the expense and trouble of turning their helmets into recording devices.

Bloody hell, the internet is awash with videos from cars, trucks and motorbikes. There's a (second?) lengthy thread on this site for watching and discussing them. Just checked, Volume 2 is currently at 300 pages.

So are you yet another example of expecting cyclists to behave differently from everyone else then?

Speaking as a motorist and cyclist, I behave differently when on a bike due to the limitations of cycles and cycling, and the resultant additional risk. It makes sense.

In terms of the single issue of courtesy to other road users, there's no major difference.