Iran - Israel War

[_Al_]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

https://t.me/combatfootageua/15043

Oh man.

What's the US response going to be?

I counted three explosions, plus the one that was on BBC earlier. It’ll all depend what they hit and the damage they did..

If they cratered some fields I suspect this will all blow over quickly.

If they hit critical infrastructure - this is highly likely to escalate.

Edit: former CENTCOM provider on BBC now saying Natanyahu wants this to open into a hot war and Biden will have to calm him. Let’s hope that works better than it has with Hamas, where he seems to have been almost completely ignored.

Edited by _Al_ on Sunday 14th April 00:59

[Muddle238]

Scrimpton said:

Yes Damascus is the same as London, excellent point.

Damascus is much better; it doesn't have a ULEZ.

[hidetheelephants]

Muddle238 said:

Scrimpton said:

Yes Damascus is the same as London, excellent point.

Damascus is much better; it doesn't have a ULEZ.

It does have a murdering despot though; swings and roundabouts.

[SlimJim16v]

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

why does the UK send a couple of fighters all that way, when Israel already has more than that ready?

[isaldiri]

_Al_ said:

You’re talking about who is right about what from what perspective? Seems somewhat irrelevant at this point: weapons have been fired. The consequences of that will play out. Who can claim the moral high ground is academic. Israel will doubtless have know there could be military consequences but seems they’ve assessed that they can sit behind their advanced defensive systems and strike at Iran using the Iranian’s weakness in defence to extract a disproportionate toll:

I'm talking about what I tend to think both sides would do because it's what they can get away with while still being in their interests to do so. Certainly it has nothing to do with being 'right' as that has never mattered in geopolitics. Given Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire on the lebanon/Israel border in a relatively well calibrated way, I'm not sure what's that different to the Iranian actions as reported so far (attempted strike at military targets in the golan heights I believe per NYT)......

[eharding]

SlimJim16v said:

skwdenyer said:

Do the Israelis not have enough aircraft? Why are we defending them, other than to make London a target for extremists? This is very dangerous.

why does the UK send a couple of fighters all that way, when Israel already has more than that ready?

Where do you think they had to fly from?

[skwdenyer]

hidetheelephants said:

Muddle238 said:

Scrimpton said:

Yes Damascus is the same as London, excellent point.

Damascus is much better; it doesn't have a ULEZ.

It does have a murdering despot though; swings and roundabouts.

So that means air strikes on embassies are fair game? Ok so when Iran launches an air strike against the British embassy there we should all just shrug and say that’s fair enough, it’s only Syria?

Israel crossed an important line, I’m afraid.

[hidetheelephants]

skwdenyer said:

hidetheelephants said:

Muddle238 said:

Scrimpton said:

Yes Damascus is the same as London, excellent point.

Damascus is much better; it doesn't have a ULEZ.

It does have a murdering despot though; swings and roundabouts.

So that means air strikes on embassies are fair game? Ok so when Iran launches an air strike against the British embassy there we should all just shrug and say that’s fair enough, it’s only Syria?

Israel crossed an important line, I’m afraid.

Have you had a humourectomy?

[Sheets Tabuer]

skwdenyer said:

Israel crossed an important line, I’m afraid.

I've been very supportive of Israel recently but they did cross a line, never thought I'd be in a position to say Iran is within their rights to retaliate.

[Matt p]

What a time to be alive

fk religion, fk the morons in charge and fk legacy media.

[SlimJim16v]

eharding said:

Where do you think they had to fly from?

Is Cyprus not further away than an Israeli air base?

[fido]

Sheets Tabuer said:

I've been very supportive of Israel recently but they did cross a line, never thought I'd be in a position to say Iran is within their rights to retaliate.

I beg to differ. It may be a risky move but Israel is basically at war with 4 of Iran’s proxies. They just called their bluff this time. It’s one step short of hitting Iran directly.

Edited by fido on Sunday 14th April 01:20

[Sheets Tabuer]

SlimJim16v said:

Is Cyprus not further away than an Israeli air base?

They're in Jordan and Iraq.

[eharding]

SlimJim16v said:

eharding said:

Where do you think they had to fly from?

Is Cyprus not further away than an Israeli air base?

15 minutes. Is that really "all that way" in your estimation?

[skwdenyer]

fido said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

I've been very supportive of Israel recently but they did cross a line, never thought I'd be in a position to say Iran is within their rights to retaliate.

I beg to differ. It may be a risky move but Israel is basically at war with 4 of Iran’s proxies. They just called their bluff this time.

Hamas is what Netanyahu & co wanted. Hamas is what Netanyahu & co got. Rather like the Taliban in Afghanistan. Sometimes funding & enabling extremists for your own short-term aims is not a good plan.

So I don’t think you can lay that one at Iran’s feet.

[Sheets Tabuer]

fido said:

I beg to differ. It may be a risky move but Israel is basically at war with 4 of Iran’s proxies. They just called their bluff this time.

They blew up their embassy, of course Iran is within their right to retaliate article 51 of the UN says they are.

[hidetheelephants]

Sheets Tabuer said:

skwdenyer said:

Israel crossed an important line, I’m afraid.

I've been very supportive of Israel recently but they did cross a line, never thought I'd be in a position to say Iran is within their rights to retaliate.

They bombed a building in which Iranian military personnel were meeting palestinian militia. While bombing an embassy is a dangerous precedent it wasn't a WI coffee morning; Israel and Iran have been conducting a not-very-proxy war for decades, this is just the latest installment and Iran is not in a strong position to pontificate about the morality or legality of embassies being trashed.

[SlimJim16v]

eharding said:

15 minutes. Is that really "all that way" in your estimation?

Didn't know
But still, Ukraine need our help, not Israel.

[b0rk]

SlimJim16v said:

Is Cyprus not further away than an Israeli air base?

Israel is at best on neutral terms with Jordan, the likelihood of Israeli airforce jets being allowed into Jordanian airspace to intercept Iranian drones is low to non existent. The Jordanians won't want to do this themselves to avoid annoying Iran, which then leaves the US and UK that are on friendly terms with Jordan and have aircraft nearby do it. Intercepting in Jordanian airspace avoids Israel escalating had the drones made it to Israel.

It's all the just the messed up politics of the region.

[Hill92]

b0rk said:

Israel is at best on neutral terms with Jordan, the likelihood of Israeli airforce jets being allowed into Jordanian airspace to intercept Iranian drones is low to non existent. The Jordanians won't want to do this themselves to avoid annoying Iran, which then leaves the US and UK that are on friendly terms with Jordan and have aircraft nearby do it. Intercepting in Jordanian airspace avoids Israel escalating had the drones made it to Israel.

It's all the just the messed up politics of the region.

Early reports suggesting US, UK, Israeli, Jordanian and Saudi air forces have all operated in Jordanian airspace tonight to shoot down incoming missiles and drones.