Would you vote for or against Scottish independence?

[cazzer]

IforB said:

fluffnik said:

IforB said:

How would you feel if someone bombed a parts of GB, but left Scotland alone? Would you just say "Oh poor them" as you might do if it was an attack on a foreign country that you had no association to?

Like the IRA did?

Terrorist bombings disgust me wherever they happen.

...which is not to say that the fact that there was an even lower risk in my homeland was entirely unappreciated.

IforB said:

If not, then I would suggest that you do feel a bit "British."

The IRA did not stop me travelling to England any more than Baader-Meinhoff stopped me travelling to Germany...

I'm not expecting you to stop travelling, I'm just curious about how you'd react if it was a British town that was attacked, rather than somewhere you have no link to. We're you equally as outraged and upset by the attacks on central London as you are about the daily attacks in Baghdad?

We are all outraged by terrorism, but if I got hugely upset at every attack around the world, then I'd be a mess. The London bombings knocked me sideways, though I did have a friend killed in the Aldgate bomb, so I'm not objective about that one.

Sorry I think thats a bad example.
I feel very British/English whichever...
But I had no emotion about the London bombings.
London doesn't feel like England, its just London.
I felt no different about that than I did about the trade centres.

[rypt]

IforB said:

I'm just curious about how you'd react if it was a British town that was attacked, rather than somewhere you have no link to. We're you equally as outraged and upset by the attacks on central London as you are about the daily attacks in Baghdad?

I'm British, and proud of it (though I hate the chavs and the government want want to emigrate) - but to be fair I didn't really have much of a feeling about the London bombs, mainly because when they occurred I was in Monaco for the day, and Southern France for the week before and after, so I was not exposed to the news media as such covering the events (30min of CNN being the most I got once every few days).
Were I in the UK, with our media covering it, I think I would have been far more of a reaction.


Here's a question for you IforB, how did you feel about WTC + planes?

[fluffnik]

IforB said:

fluffnik said:

IforB said:

How would you feel if someone bombed a parts of GB, but left Scotland alone? Would you just say "Oh poor them" as you might do if it was an attack on a foreign country that you had no association to?

Like the IRA did?

Terrorist bombings disgust me wherever they happen.

...which is not to say that the fact that there was an even lower risk in my homeland was entirely unappreciated.

IforB said:

If not, then I would suggest that you do feel a bit "British."

The IRA did not stop me travelling to England any more than Baader-Meinhoff stopped me travelling to Germany...

I'm not expecting you to stop travelling, I'm just curious about how you'd react if it was a British town that was attacked, rather than somewhere you have no link to.

There are many British towns, and indeed a few Scottish ones, to which I have no link.

I think I might be more upset about Hanover, which I know and love, being bombed than, say, Leicester, where I've never been...

IforB said:

We're you equally as outraged and upset by the attacks on central London as you are about the daily attacks in Baghdad?

More upset about London, I know people there.

IforB said:

We are all outraged by terrorism, but if I got hugely upset at every attack around the world, then I'd be a mess. The London bombings knocked me sideways, though I did have a friend killed in the Aldgate bomb, so I'm not objective about that one.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's the personal, not the national that really hurts.

[s2art]

fluffnik said:

IforB said:

fluffnik said:

IforB said:

How would you feel if someone bombed a parts of GB, but left Scotland alone? Would you just say "Oh poor them" as you might do if it was an attack on a foreign country that you had no association to?

Like the IRA did?

Terrorist bombings disgust me wherever they happen.

...which is not to say that the fact that there was an even lower risk in my homeland was entirely unappreciated.

IforB said:

If not, then I would suggest that you do feel a bit "British."

The IRA did not stop me travelling to England any more than Baader-Meinhoff stopped me travelling to Germany...

I'm not expecting you to stop travelling, I'm just curious about how you'd react if it was a British town that was attacked, rather than somewhere you have no link to.

There are many British towns, and indeed a few Scottish ones, to which I have no link.

I think I might be more upset about Hanover, which I know and love, being bombed than, say, Leicester, where I've never been...

IforB said:

We're you equally as outraged and upset by the attacks on central London as you are about the daily attacks in Baghdad?

More upset about London, I know people there.

IforB said:

We are all outraged by terrorism, but if I got hugely upset at every attack around the world, then I'd be a mess. The London bombings knocked me sideways, though I did have a friend killed in the Aldgate bomb, so I'm not objective about that one.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's the personal, not the national that really hurts.

Possibly a better test would be; if you had to face losing the rest of Britain or some other country which would you prefer?

[IforB]

rypt said:

IforB said:

I'm just curious about how you'd react if it was a British town that was attacked, rather than somewhere you have no link to. We're you equally as outraged and upset by the attacks on central London as you are about the daily attacks in Baghdad?

I'm British, and proud of it (though I hate the chavs and the government want want to emigrate) - but to be fair I didn't really have much of a feeling about the London bombs, mainly because when they occurred I was in Monaco for the day, and Southern France for the week before and after, so I was not exposed to the news media as such covering the events (30min of CNN being the most I got once every few days).
Were I in the UK, with our media covering it, I think I would have been far more of a reaction.


Here's a question for you IforB, how did you feel about WTC + planes?

Not very happy, but then again I did have a school mate in one of the towers at the time who didn't make it out + I'm a pilot so I realise what damage would be done to my industry. Any aircraft crash gets my full attention.

[The Ben]

does this mean if Scotland was indipendant, the rest of us would be able to open factories in Scotland and get cheap labour???

Also, would that mean we would be able to deport winky and his merry men???

[fluffnik]

s2art said:

Possibly a better test would be; if you had to face losing the rest of Britain or some other country which would you prefer?

In what way "losing"?

[deadslow]

The Ben said:

does this mean if Scotland was indipendant, the rest of us would be able to open factories in Scotland and get cheap labour???

Also, would that mean we would be able to deport winky and his merry men???

Of course it does, if you could even spell independent.

[Kermit power]

I voted "Other".

I'm English, but I'd be happy to take the verdict of the Scots on it.

If they voted for independence, then that's fine by me, so long as it was complete independence.

Likewise, if the majority of Scots voted to remain in the Union, I'd be happy with that, so long as the minority accepted they'd had their vote and lost it, and then stopped their fking whining.

[OnTheOverrun]

Kermit power said:

I voted "Other".

I'm English, but I'd be happy to take the verdict of the Scots on it.

If they voted for independence, then that's fine by me, so long as it was complete independence.

Likewise, if the majority of Scots voted to remain in the Union, I'd be happy with that, so long as the minority accepted they'd had their vote and lost it, and then stopped their fking whining.

Why should it always be down to the Scots to decide?

What if the Scots vote to stay and the English vote for them to go?

We out-number them 10 to 1 so they'd have to go!

[deadslow]

OnTheOverrun said:

Why should it always be down to the Scots to decide?

No reason, except Scotland is their country.

[fluffnik]

OnTheOverrun said:

What if the Scots vote to stay and the English vote for them to go?

England is just as free dissolve the Union as Scotland is...

[glazbagun]

fluffnik said:

OnTheOverrun said:

What if the Scots vote to stay and the English vote for them to go?

England is just as free dissolve the Union as Scotland is...

Now *that* would make for a terrifying precedent. We'd end up with a walled London fending off the unemployed hoardes of the remainder of GB.

[elster]

With such a small economy how do they propose to pay off all the debts they will be taking with them?

[deadslow]

elster said:

With such a small economy how do they propose to pay off all the debts they will be taking with them?

Not your problem, pal. Let them get on with it.

Much scarier if London goes for independence. Then all the rest of England goes back to the stone-age.

[cornishgirl]

IforB said:

cornishgirl said:

CommanderJameson said:

Gedon said:

As a Cornishman, I am not English and refuse to be bracketed as such.

As a Cornishman, you've been English for about a thousand years.

That's not the way we see it.

So do you refuse to use the public services provided by the Government and only use those that are provided and paid for by Cornwall? Or is it just a mindset?

Edited by IforB on Friday 25th September 13:13

Yes.

[Kermit power]

cornishgirl said:

IforB said:

cornishgirl said:

CommanderJameson said:

Gedon said:

As a Cornishman, I am not English and refuse to be bracketed as such.

As a Cornishman, you've been English for about a thousand years.

That's not the way we see it.

So do you refuse to use the public services provided by the Government and only use those that are provided and paid for by Cornwall? Or is it just a mindset?

Yes.

Is that yes, as in it's only a mindset, or yes as in you refuse to use public services paid for by the nation, as opposed to just Cornwall.

If it's the latter, can you really, honestly say you've never driven on a road in Devon?

[thinfourth2]

deadslow said:

Much scarier if London goes for independence. Then all the rest of England goes back to the stone-age.

London goes for independence what a wonderful idea

Then the rest of the country can be governed by folk who realize that not everyone lives within a 1 minute walk of a tube station

One of the reasons as a scotsman i want independence is the utterly wky laws coming from london

Use public transport says London and punish those 4x4 owners as they don't need them


Erm yeah i live 3 miles from the nearest bus stop and the first half mile of the road is a fecking farm track, just try driving a fecking g-wiz up there you london centric idiots. And try getting 2 ton of firewood home on the number 12 bendy bus.

[cazzer]

thinfourth2 said:

deadslow said:

Much scarier if London goes for independence. Then all the rest of England goes back to the stone-age.

London goes for independence what a wonderful idea

Then the rest of the country can be governed by folk who realize that not everyone lives within a 1 minute walk of a tube station

One of the reasons as a scotsman i want independence is the utterly wky laws coming from london

Use public transport says London and punish those 4x4 owners as they don't need them


Erm yeah i live 3 miles from the nearest bus stop and the first half mile of the road is a fecking farm track, just try driving a fecking g-wiz up there you london centric idiots. And try getting 2 ton of firewood home on the number 12 bendy bus.

[Mojocvh]

Kermit power said:

I voted "Other".

I'm English, but I'd be happy to take the verdict of the Scots on it.

If they voted for independence, then that's fine by me, so long as it was complete independence.

Likewise, if the majority of Scots voted to remain in the Union, I'd be happy with that, so long as the minority accepted they'd had their vote and lost it, and then stopped their fking whining.

so long as the minority accepted they'd had their vote and lost it, and then stopped their fking whining.

The PH IRONIC post of the year award winner!

not 100% directed at you K, just a generalisation of the current crop of anti-Scottish PH contributors!