Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations
Discussion
turbobloke said:
I have e-mailed some links to 30'ish of those news corporations listed on the link TB. Hopefully other's will do the same and the word will spread.turbobloke said:
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The arc-e.com part seems a little iffy....
Not to mention the annoying popups....
Edited by james_tigerwoods on Friday 20th November 12:11
IL_JDM said:
Xenocide said:
This is spreading like wildfire!Great stuff. My own opinion is that this isn't faked, I've read through quite a lot of it now and it seems genuine to me.
john_p said:
Allegedly there is an email raised at about the same time as a FOI request was submitted to the University of East Anglia asking several people to delete any references to "AR4" .. what is AR4 ?
That would be "Assessment Report 4"http://www1.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/assessments-report...
Presumably there's something in there which is factually incorrect?
published now, http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/lates...
IL_JDM said:
Well the USA managed to dumb down Fahrenheit 911 (despite all the evidence), so I can also see this being quite easy to brush aside.
along with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
Moore always manages to put together his films - despite all the evidence!!!along with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
If you believe anything he says, more fool you.
TankRizzo said:
Crikey. Some of the documents regarding "communicating climate change" are really quite scary.
No they're not. They are utterly utterly utterly utterly utterly.... I'm lost for words.Hint:
communicating_cc.pdf said:
The blanket of gases that keeps the surface of the earth warm and able to sustain life is getting thicker, trapping in more heat. This is caused by the release of greenhouse gases as we burn fossil fuels for energy and cut down forests. The vast majority of scientists now agree that to avoid radical changes in temperature in the future, action is urgently needed now.
Tomorrow’s climate is today’s challenge. [b]Carbon dioxide is the main greenhouse
gas, which causes climate change.[/b]
Every tonne emitted in to the atmosphere commits the world to more warming. We
can do something about it – every tonne of emissions avoided reduces the threat of climate change. This is why we need to address this issue now, wherever we can. Everyone can do something to help.
Tomorrow’s climate is today’s challenge. [b]Carbon dioxide is the main greenhouse
gas, which causes climate change.[/b]
Every tonne emitted in to the atmosphere commits the world to more warming. We
can do something about it – every tonne of emissions avoided reduces the threat of climate change. This is why we need to address this issue now, wherever we can. Everyone can do something to help.
TankRizzo said:
Some of the emails also insinuate that the BBC have a lead person, one Richard Black, who puts a predefined slant on climate change to every story they publish. See email "1255352444.txt".
He seems real enough!http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardbla...
IL_JDM said:
jshell said:
IL_JDM said:
Well the USA managed to dumb down Fahrenheit 911 (despite all the evidence), so I can also see this being quite easy to brush aside.
along with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
Moore always manages to put together his films - despite all the evidence!!!along with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
If you believe anything he says, more fool you.
ked right off.Let's discuss this no more on this thread. Do some searching on PH.
Guam said:
ludo said:
Guam said:
Just as a Humourous aside How many gavins are their in climate Science related subjects in the UK, I keep stumbling accross that name everywhere on the PRo AGW camp, even Our Ludo is apparrently called Gavin 
Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then
Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People
I seem to remember there is a Gavin index plot somewhere, which shows a high correllation between the number of people called Gavin and global temperatures! Mea maxima culpa, it's all my fault (well me and the other Gavins anyway). Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then
Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People
I reckon there may be a Statistical rule on it somewhere Ludo
Guam said:
G_T said:
Guam said:
ludo said:
Guam said:
Just as a Humourous aside How many gavins are their in climate Science related subjects in the UK, I keep stumbling accross that name everywhere on the PRo AGW camp, even Our Ludo is apparrently called Gavin
Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then
Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People
I seem to remember there is a Gavin index plot somewhere, which shows a high correllation between the number of people called Gavin and global temperatures! Mea maxima culpa, it's all my fault (well me and the other Gavins anyway). Do you need to be called Gavin to be A Climate Scientist now then
Just before anyone piles in, its a Joke People
I reckon there may be a Statistical rule on it somewhere Ludo
Dangerous things thems Ipods.
I know these are just soundbites from emails, but it gives some insight into what is going on:
there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC
&
here are some notes of mine on the recent lack of warming.
allegedly 1255558867.txt said:
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Tom Wigley wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > The Figure you sent is very deceptive. As an example, historical
> > runs with PCM look as though they match observations -- but the
> > match is a fluke. PCM has no indirect aerosol forcing and a low
> > climate sensitivity -- compensating errors. In my (perhaps too
> > harsh)
> > view, [b]there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model
> > results by individual authors and by IPCC[/b]. This is why I still use
> > results from MAGICC to compare with observed temperatures. At least
> > here I can assess how sensitive matches are to sensitivity and
> > forcing assumptions/uncertainties.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Michael Mann wrote:
> > > thanks Tom,
> > > I've taken the liberty of attaching a figure that Gavin put
> > > together the other day (its an update from a similar figure he
> > > prepared for an earlier RealClimate post. see:
> > > http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009... It is indeed worth a thousand words, and drives home Tom's point below. We're planning on doing a post on this shortly, but would be nice to see the Sep. HadCRU numbers first,
> > > mike
> > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Tom Wigley wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > At the risk of overload, [b]here are some notes of mine on the
> > > > recent
> > > > lack of warming.[/b] I look at this in two ways. The first is to
> > > > look at
> > > > the difference between the observed and expected anthropogenic
> > > > trend relative to the pdf for unforced variability. The second
> > > > is to remove ENSO, volcanoes and TSI variations from the
> > > > observed data.
> > > > Both methods show that what we are seeing is not unusual. The
> > > > second
> > > > method leaves a significant warming over the past decade.
> > > > These sums complement Kevin's energy work.
> > > > Kevin says ... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack
> > > > of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't". I
> > > > do not
> > > > agree with this.
> > > > Tom.
ETA Why aren't my bold tags working around> > Mike,
> >
> > The Figure you sent is very deceptive. As an example, historical
> > runs with PCM look as though they match observations -- but the
> > match is a fluke. PCM has no indirect aerosol forcing and a low
> > climate sensitivity -- compensating errors. In my (perhaps too
> > harsh)
> > view, [b]there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model
> > results by individual authors and by IPCC[/b]. This is why I still use
> > results from MAGICC to compare with observed temperatures. At least
> > here I can assess how sensitive matches are to sensitivity and
> > forcing assumptions/uncertainties.
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Michael Mann wrote:
> > > thanks Tom,
> > > I've taken the liberty of attaching a figure that Gavin put
> > > together the other day (its an update from a similar figure he
> > > prepared for an earlier RealClimate post. see:
> > > http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009... It is indeed worth a thousand words, and drives home Tom's point below. We're planning on doing a post on this shortly, but would be nice to see the Sep. HadCRU numbers first,
> > > mike
> > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:01 AM, Tom Wigley wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > At the risk of overload, [b]here are some notes of mine on the
> > > > recent
> > > > lack of warming.[/b] I look at this in two ways. The first is to
> > > > look at
> > > > the difference between the observed and expected anthropogenic
> > > > trend relative to the pdf for unforced variability. The second
> > > > is to remove ENSO, volcanoes and TSI variations from the
> > > > observed data.
> > > > Both methods show that what we are seeing is not unusual. The
> > > > second
> > > > method leaves a significant warming over the past decade.
> > > > These sums complement Kevin's energy work.
> > > > Kevin says ... "The fact is that we can't account for the lack
> > > > of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't". I
> > > > do not
> > > > agree with this.
> > > > Tom.
there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC
&
here are some notes of mine on the recent lack of warming.
Edited by The Excession on Friday 20th November 12:43
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