Israel invaded

[Electro1980]

isaldiri said:

s1962a said:

Panamax said:

More shambles. In diplomatic terms the US couldn't find its way out of a paper bag. They made themselves look very stupid at the last vote and now, unsurprisingly, Russia has enjoyed rubbing their noses in it.

You mean the US, who vetoed all the previous resolutions, are upset because another country does the same? I suspect the Biden administration is panicking a bit now they realise they have no control over the situation.

Using the veto is only fine when the US does it or it doesn't conflict with anything they might wish. If anyone does it in defiance of one they are putting forward, it's obviously wrong...

Uh? Vetos are always political and always result in the vetoed country complaining about it being political. The UN Security council is complete pointless now.

[Electro1980]

julian987R said:

Zed 44 said:

And now the IOF is blocking UNRWA from delivering aid to Northern Gaza. A more cost-effective means of genocide than bombs or guns.

Isn't it the responsibility of their leaders HAMAS to get aid to their civilians. Where are those muppets in all of this?

And what exactly do you propose Hamas do when aid is being stopped before reaching territory they control?

[McGee_22]

Electro1980 said:

julian987R said:

Zed 44 said:

And now the IOF is blocking UNRWA from delivering aid to Northern Gaza. A more cost-effective means of genocide than bombs or guns.

Isn't it the responsibility of their leaders HAMAS to get aid to their civilians. Where are those muppets in all of this?

And what exactly do you propose Hamas do when aid is being stopped before reaching territory they control?

Perhaps give back the hostages they took in October last year?

[biggbn]

julian987R said:

youngsyr said:

julian987R said:

Jesus, I almost felt sorry for her, then I realised Murray is well known for being (a) rabidly pro Israel and (b) fiercely intelligent. She should have done her homework before taking him on.

She came across as an utter moron.

2 morons who can see no further than their own agendas. A perfect encapsulation of what is wrong with the situation.

[shed driver]

I watched an interview last night with a right wing Jewish settler. She said that she wanted to see all gazans moved to Africa so that new settlements could be built in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650...

Not a good way forward.

SD.

[markh1973]

shed driver said:

I watched an interview last night with a right wing Jewish settler. She said that she wanted to see all gazans moved to Africa so that new settlements could be built in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650...

Not a good way forward.

SD.

I read that this morning - she's also happy to have Israel's actions termed "ethnic cleansing" or "apartheid".

[Electro1980]

McGee_22 said:

Electro1980 said:

julian987R said:

Zed 44 said:

And now the IOF is blocking UNRWA from delivering aid to Northern Gaza. A more cost-effective means of genocide than bombs or guns.

Isn't it the responsibility of their leaders HAMAS to get aid to their civilians. Where are those muppets in all of this?

And what exactly do you propose Hamas do when aid is being stopped before reaching territory they control?

Perhaps give back the hostages they took in October last year?

So you are suggesting the aid is being withheld as a bargaining tool? The hostages are irrelevant to the transport of civilian aid.

[McGee_22]

Electro1980 said:

So you are suggesting the aid is being withheld as a bargaining tool? The hostages are irrelevant to the transport of civilian aid.

I’m not suggesting anything of the sort - I have no exact details of why the aid is being withheld- do you? But your suggestion that the hostages are irrelevant to the transport of civilian aid seems naive in the extreme - was aid being allowed through before the hostages were taken on October 7th?

[Douglas Quaid]

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

[andymadmak]

Douglas Quaid said:

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

So much wrong with this post that it's hard to know where to start!

[s1962a]

andymadmak said:

Douglas Quaid said:

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

So much wrong with this post that it's hard to know where to start!

Whats your view on this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650...

article said:

..she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately.

"I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand".

She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked.

[Biker 1]

If anybody seriously believes that Gaza will be resettled by Israelis, they need their head testing.

[s1962a]

Biker 1 said:

If anybody seriously believes that Gaza will be resettled by Israelis, they need their head testing.

I already posted an article about existing settlers that want to build settlements in Gaza, and this is from the National Security minister.

article said:

For some in the Israeli cabinet..is ripe for resettlement. That includes Israel's hard-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir - a settler himself.

In late January, he made his way through a packed conference hall, slowed by embraces and handshakes. He was among friends - about 1,000 ultranationalists pushing for a return to Gaza at the event entitled Settlement Brings Security.

Mr Ben Gvir, who favours "encouraging emigration", was among a dozen cabinet ministers in attendance.

"It's time to go back home," he said from the stage, to loud applause. "It's time to return to the land of Israel. If we don't want another 7 October, we need to return home and control the land."

Not as far fetched as you think considering this is coming from members of the government itself.

[andymadmak]

s1962a said:

andymadmak said:

Douglas Quaid said:

Israel just want to kill all the Palestinians. Hostages are irrelevant at this point, on both sides. They just want to starve and shoot them all to death to have the entire territory.

I’m just glad I live in England and not over there. Being born in a place where you can be starved to death just for existing while the rest of the world cheers is pretty crappy really.

So much wrong with this post that it's hard to know where to start!

Whats your view on this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650...

article said:

..she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately.

"I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand".

She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked.

My view? She's a nutter, as are the (few) people who follow her. I don't think she represents a significant minority, let alone a majority opinion in Israel, because if she did then Netanyahu would have picked up the idea in an effort to prop up his crumbling support base.
If you're going to pretend that the opinions of the few represent the views of the many then we're going to be right back to lumping Hamas and all Palestinians all into one pot as well - I'm sure you don't want to do that do you?

[s1962a]

andymadmak said:

My view? She's a nutter, as are the (few) people who follow her. I don't think she represents a significant minority, let alone a majority opinion in Israel, because if she did then Netanyahu would have picked up the idea in an effort to prop up his crumbling support base.
If you're going to pretend that the opinions of the few represent the views of the many then we're going to be right back to lumping Hamas and all Palestinians all into one pot as well - I'm sure you don't want to do that do you?

Yes, thats fair thats she's a nutter, but there is form for settlements being built on the West Bank, and recently too

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack

And there has already been a new highway built, splitting Gaza "for security reasons"

Israel completes construction of road which cuts across Gaza Strip

It's not a huge leap from there for there to be settlements built within Gaza. Why do you think there wouldn't be? Is there anything stopping this government from allowing settlements to be built?

[wc98]

Electro1980 said:

And what exactly do you propose Hamas do when aid is being stopped before reaching territory they control?

Maybe if they spent some of the billions in aid they have been syphoning off over the years making their peoples lives better there wouldn't have been so many chippy terrorist types to keep the hatred on the boil.

[M1AGM]

s1962a said:

Yes, thats fair thats she's a nutter, but there is form for settlements being built on the West Bank, and recently too

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack

And there has already been a new highway built, splitting Gaza "for security reasons"

Israel completes construction of road which cuts across Gaza Strip

It's not a huge leap from there for there to be settlements built within Gaza. Why do you think there wouldn't be? Is there anything stopping this government from allowing settlements to be built?

Yep. Can see it coming. Saw something yesterday with one of the government saying it was ‘their’ land to return to, God’s will and other sky fairy rubbish.

Then one day some more Zionists will get killed as retaliation for yet more illegal land grabs and they will say it’s unprovoked/anti-semitic and carry on.

[andymadmak]

s1962a said:

Yes, thats fair thats she's a nutter, but there is form for settlements being built on the West Bank, and recently too

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack

And there has already been a new highway built, splitting Gaza "for security reasons"

Israel completes construction of road which cuts across Gaza Strip

It's not a huge leap from there for there to be settlements built within Gaza. Why do you think there wouldn't be? Is there anything stopping this government from allowing settlements to be built?

As I said, if this was really a popular option in Israel then Netanyahu would already have seized upon it. The BBC article makes it clear that a majority of Israelis don't want to settle Gaza.
I'm also on record several times in this thread as saying that the illegal settlements in the West Bank should be removed.

[fizz47]

Sick in the head people still going to defend the IDF while the ethnically cleanse the Palestinians


https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/17719152776529064...

https://x.com/drloupis/status/1771520773565411744?...

[s1962a]

andymadmak said:

s1962a said:

Yes, thats fair thats she's a nutter, but there is form for settlements being built on the West Bank, and recently too

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack

And there has already been a new highway built, splitting Gaza "for security reasons"

Israel completes construction of road which cuts across Gaza Strip

It's not a huge leap from there for there to be settlements built within Gaza. Why do you think there wouldn't be? Is there anything stopping this government from allowing settlements to be built?

As I said, if this was really a popular option in Israel then Netanyahu would already have seized upon it. The BBC article makes it clear that a majority of Israelis don't want to settle Gaza.
I'm also on record several times in this thread as saying that the illegal settlements in the West Bank should be removed.

I think we are mostly in agreement here. Most of Israels population doesn't support the West Bank settlements either, but they are expanding as the coalition government is quite right wing, and the land grab that is already happening for "security reasons" and the cutting up of Gaza is just a precursor to it's borders being changed and potential settlements. There is no reason to suspect that the minority that want the Gaza settlements to return (including members of the cabinet) won't get their wish.