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[Jimbeaux]

Blib said:

If I was in Hamas, I'd make damned sure I was based in or around civilians when I launched missiles. It's a no brainer really. If the IDF hit back, they'll kill innocents. If they decide that the collateral damage would be too great, then, I'm free to carry on.

Hamas cannot possibly stand up to the IDF on a level playing field. So, why not take them on from a school playing field?

After all, Paradise awaits.

True, even for the children they hid behind; so it's all good in the hood.

[Jimbeaux]

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Sure they could. And if he did, it would not change a damn thing. The surrounding nations, and their terror arms Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. have it as their mission statement to destroy Israel. Some of you actually seem to believe that Israel leaving that worthless strip of land would stop all of this. Do any of you really believe that? Step forward and be seen.

Of course. Egypt has made peace. Jordan has made peace. Syria has offered to make peace in return for the Golan heights. The Palestinians have made numerous offers of peace in return for a viable two-State settlement.

Yours is the exact mentality which explains why Israel has moved nowhere closer to peace since 1967.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

OK, does she speak for all of them; try reading the question. I bet Hamas doesn't have a woman speaking for them, huh?

You'd lose the bet

Isra Al-Modallal

Well that is awesome; I look forward to her making a difference.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Again, if the IDF stops today and Hamas keeps on with the rocketry, what is your course of action for Israel?

Perhaps if Israel didnt arrest hamas members en masse, carry out extra judicial assasinations of Hamas leaders and stop building settlements it would have a stronger claim to being the victim?

I know it's easy to portray Hamas as uncontrollable rocket launchers but like with everything else in life, newton's Third law applies.

So, they are treating the terror organization too rough? Got it.

[Jimbeaux]

Octoposse said:

Jimbeaux said:

Again, if the IDF stops today and Hamas keeps on with the rocketry, what is your course of action for Israel?

A peace deal - right now Israel doesn't want one because it means compromise, and they conceive that they have sufficient military superiority for the cost of conflict to be less than the cost of peace.

We all know what the peace has to look like to be lasting:
• A viable Palestinian state based on Gaza and the West Bank;
• The permanent border between the two states freely negotiated between them – undoubtedly ending up as some close +/- to the 1967 border;
• Palestinian (and other relevant Arab state) recognition of Israel;
• Security guarantees for all states in the region;
• Surrender by the Palestinians of the right of return of refugees to lands falling within the agreed Israeli borders (compensation for which paid for by the international community);
• Partition and/or some form of international status for Jerusalem.
Some bitter pills there for both sides to swallow, but Israel has no incentive so to do. Serious moves to this type of solution and the rockets will stop.

All tried before. Again, if done, I disagree the rockets will stop. They will simply be launched from a spot closer to Israel. Try to wake up.

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

So, they are treating the terror organization too rough? Got it.

Not sure which causes more terror to be honest. Unguided rockets that seem to have little effect or laser guided bombs that blow your parents and your siblings into small pieces of flesh.

Both sides are guilty of terror. Only one side pretends to be a shining beacon of democracy. Only one side can move the situation closer towards peace.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

coyft said:

Countdown said:

coyft said:

How about Israel having equal rights for all citizens? What about them dropping the idea of a "Jewish State". Isn't that a bit like England declaring a whites only state?

The 64m shekel question - how can Israel be a "Jewish State" AND a democratic State? The only way I can think of is by removing the entire non-Jewish population.

It can only exists as a democratic racist state.

Irony abounds, shaded by ignorance.

It was a genuine question - perhaps you can square the circle?

How can Israel claim to be both a Jewish state AND a democratic State?

How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

It was in the papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...

[Jimbeaux]

coyft said:

Jimbeaux said:

coyft said:

Any thread about Israel always ends up the same way. The same Israeli apologists spouting the usual clap trap. I wonder how many of them are Jewish? I suspect all of them.

You wouls suspect incorrectly. Are all those supporting the PA Muslims? Stupid comment. Do you hold the PA or Hamas blameless?

I don't support either, there is no right or wrong. These disputes are always 6 of one and half a dozen of another. If you are not Jewish then I apologise as you were one of the people I was alluding to.

Most people can see there are two sides, those that can't I usually find have vested interests and it's pointless debating with them.

I know you were alluding to me. No need to apologize for thinking I was Jewish. Would being so constitute an insult in your eyes?

[S 8 GRN]

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

Amazing - so did the French .... But only the Jewish ones of course.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

That is what I said. In relevance to the misery it has caused, I'd say that was being generous.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Sure they could. And if he did, it would not change a damn thing. The surrounding nations, and their terror arms Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. have it as their mission statement to destroy Israel. Some of you actually seem to believe that Israel leaving that worthless strip of land would stop all of this. Do any of you really believe that? Step forward and be seen.

Of course. Egypt has made peace. Jordan has made peace. Syria has offered to make peace in return for the Golan heights. The Palestinians have made numerous offers of peace in return for a viable two-State settlement.

Yours is the exact mentality which explains why Israel has moved nowhere closer to peace since 1967.

So, you are saying that everytime peace has failed, it was due to the Israelis and not the PA/Hamas???

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

It was in the papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...

You read it and the Israelis haven't killed you yet? Are you working for them, secretly??

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?

You are kidding aren't you

Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?

[Art0ir]

Jimbeaux said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

It was in the papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...

You read it and the Israelis haven't killed you yet? Are you working for them, secretly??

like I said, just an observation in irony.

[Jimbeaux]

S 8 GRN said:

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

Amazing - so did the French .... But only the Jewish ones of course.

Damn Jews, always sticking their nose in.....get it, Jew.....nose.

[Blib]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?

You are kidding aren't you

Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?

And this makes any deal impossible.

The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?

Anyone?

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?

You are kidding aren't you

Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?

Sorry, I missed your post; I was organizing my Christian mission trip to
the Islamic Republic of __________.

[Countdown]

S 8 GRN said:

Jimbeaux said:

Art0ir said:

The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).

If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?

Amazing - so did the French .... But only the Jewish ones of course.

According to John Nott the french actually helped us during the Falkalnds War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

Interesting to note what Reagan's preferred option was at the time, so much for the "Special Relationship".