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irocfan said:
FiF said:
Quite ^^^
Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
an interesting article for sure - but how much of it is tinfoil-hattery? Is this also the same publication that Anders Brevers was such a big fan of, in which case we must surely question the motives behind it? With both the 2 above points having been made in the interests of balance it must also be said that IF Sweden is as corrupt as is alleged a muck smearing exercise is a forgone conclusion Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
jshell said:
Some of the Swedish reporting is the cause of a hike in reported numbers. If a woman is raped over a period of weeks, months, years, then each 'act' is reported as a new case, ISTR. I'd have to look at specifics.
That makes me wonder how many times the women Julian Assange 'raped' have been raped again while he's been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy.Can we do some deal where we hand over Assange if the Americans agree to take the Great and the Good from Rotherham and try and imprison them over there?
To coin an old, underused cliche:
To think our Fathers, Grandfathers and their fore-fathers died in two world wars...'We give our today for your tomorrow'.
Now it's the Roma with their child-brides, and to think that in the 70s PIE wanted the age of consent set at 4 years of age...Won't be long.
What exactly do they bring to the table?
Multi-culturalism? You can f
king stuff it!
To think our Fathers, Grandfathers and their fore-fathers died in two world wars...'We give our today for your tomorrow'.
Now it's the Roma with their child-brides, and to think that in the 70s PIE wanted the age of consent set at 4 years of age...Won't be long.
What exactly do they bring to the table?
Multi-culturalism? You can f
king stuff it! jshell said:
irocfan said:
FiF said:
Quite ^^^
Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
an interesting article for sure - but how much of it is tinfoil-hattery? Is this also the same publication that Anders Brevers was such a big fan of, in which case we must surely question the motives behind it? With both the 2 above points having been made in the interests of balance it must also be said that IF Sweden is as corrupt as is alleged a muck smearing exercise is a forgone conclusion Sweden a new hell for women
It's ridiculous that some blonde girls are using hair colour to alter their appearance and become a less desirable target even at school.
Finlandia said:
According to Brå (Bråttsförebyggande rådet) the actual figure of rapes in Sweden is 36,000 per year. The reported figure is around 6,000 of which less than 200 end up in a conviction.
According to a study conducted by Liz Kelly (Professor at Metropolitan University in London) only 2% of the reported rapes are false allegations.
According to a study conducted by Liz Kelly (Professor at Metropolitan University in London) only 2% of the reported rapes are false allegations.
Finlandia said:
In Sweden, as a rapist you are not likely to get punished or jailed, not even necessarily for gang rape. Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in Europe and one of the lowest solved rates, and only 25% of all rapes are reported (according to studies).
Recently there have been many high profile rape cases where the rapist(s) have been freed for the most bizarre reasons eg. even if the victim said no how could the rapist know it meant no, not fighting back hard enough against 7 or 8 men, a sex seller cannot be gang raped, bleeding only a little (from being raped with a bottle) and so on.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article16779918....
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/tonarspojkar-frias-fran-gru...
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18575241....
http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/28-arig-man-f...
Recently there have been many high profile rape cases where the rapist(s) have been freed for the most bizarre reasons eg. even if the victim said no how could the rapist know it meant no, not fighting back hard enough against 7 or 8 men, a sex seller cannot be gang raped, bleeding only a little (from being raped with a bottle) and so on.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article16779918....
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/tonarspojkar-frias-fran-gru...
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18575241....
http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/28-arig-man-f...
Digga said:
Finlandia said:
Horrific stuff.
Ultimately, this is where happy-clappy, multi-culti policies are leading us.Digga said:
Finlandia said:
Horrific stuff.
Ultimately, this is where happy-clappy, multi-culti policies are leading us."On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries. But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries’ records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely. In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics,” she says. “So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record – one victim, one type of crime, one record.”
Source: http://www.geocurrents.info/geography-of-crime-and...
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
Finlandia said:
Horrific stuff.
Ultimately, this is where happy-clappy, multi-culti policies are leading us.Weren't any Muslim riots in Stockholm? No, no...
Digga said:
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
Finlandia said:
Horrific stuff.
Ultimately, this is where happy-clappy, multi-culti policies are leading us.Weren't any Muslim riots in Stockholm? No, no...
TTwiggy said:
Is that the best response you can come up with? I've asked you to demonstrate that the problems that Sweden is facing with respect to rape are linked to multi-culturalism. But rather than answer, you get sarky. I don't know why I bother really, as this thread is clearly not one where debate is encouraged.
I'll answer, the problems in Sweden are very obviously related to multi-culturalism.Why else would they let these people in?
If they hadn't, they wouldn't have the problem? No?
TTwiggy said:
Is that the best response you can come up with? I've asked you to demonstrate that the problems that Sweden is facing with respect to rape are linked to multi-culturalism. But rather than answer, you get sarky. I don't know why I bother really, as this thread is clearly not one where debate is encouraged.
Oh it is, however whenever anyone asks a question which can't really be answered without reflecting well on a certain demographic it is simply ignored! heppers75 said:
TTwiggy said:
Is that the best response you can come up with? I've asked you to demonstrate that the problems that Sweden is facing with respect to rape are linked to multi-culturalism. But rather than answer, you get sarky. I don't know why I bother really, as this thread is clearly not one where debate is encouraged.
Oh it is, however whenever anyone asks a question which can't really be answered without reflecting well on a certain demographic it is simply ignored! As for the debate being close down, well for years we've had all this absolutist, totalitarian indoctrination about how the UK is multi-cultural and how lovely and impressive that is. All this has done is shut down any dissent or debate and has clearly been instrumental in enabling the abuse scandals in the OP.
AFAIC the debate now, should be about how we properly investigate what has gone wrong, where we apportion blame (aside from the obvious offenders themselves) and how the mindset of the nation has to change to adapt to these findings.
TTwiggy said:
Digga said:
Finlandia said:
Horrific stuff.
Ultimately, this is where happy-clappy, multi-culti policies are leading us.This thread itself is a fine example how certain people know what they want to say but skirt around it for fear of being accused of racism.
People think racism is based on coulour of skin, it isn't. It's usually based on how that certain race acts as human beings.
Me personally I view the way Moslems treat the female version of the human being as a sub-class, as being very in-human. Is that racist I dunno, perhaps it's 'religion-ist'.
Either way I think it's st and until they start classing a fellow human-being albeit with different genitalia, as a fellow human-being I'm gonna remain of the same mindset.
Can't really say if it's worse to be racist than it is to consider females as a sub-class.
It all stems historically from the Quran having no equivalent of the Isis figure, every other religion has it.
People think racism is based on coulour of skin, it isn't. It's usually based on how that certain race acts as human beings.
Me personally I view the way Moslems treat the female version of the human being as a sub-class, as being very in-human. Is that racist I dunno, perhaps it's 'religion-ist'.
Either way I think it's s
t and until they start classing a fellow human-being albeit with different genitalia, as a fellow human-being I'm gonna remain of the same mindset.Can't really say if it's worse to be racist than it is to consider females as a sub-class.
It all stems historically from the Quran having no equivalent of the Isis figure, every other religion has it.
Digga said:
heppers75 said:
TTwiggy said:
Is that the best response you can come up with? I've asked you to demonstrate that the problems that Sweden is facing with respect to rape are linked to multi-culturalism. But rather than answer, you get sarky. I don't know why I bother really, as this thread is clearly not one where debate is encouraged.
Oh it is, however whenever anyone asks a question which can't really be answered without reflecting well on a certain demographic it is simply ignored! As for the debate being close down, well for years we've had all this absolutist, totalitarian indoctrination about how the UK is multi-cultural and how lovely and impressive that is. All this has done is shut down any dissent or debate and has clearly been instrumental in enabling the abuse scandals in the OP.
AFAIC the debate now, should be about how we properly investigate what has gone wrong, where we apportion blame (aside from the obvious offenders themselves) and how the mindset of the nation has to change to adapt to these findings.
The challenge we have is that nobody that is seemingly a member or at least a defender of the same demographic as the majority of the perpetrators seems to believe, wish ,want or think that there is any possible link, cause, reason or possible correlation to the fact that these men were a part of the same demographic, type of community or followers of a certain faith and to say, to even intimate as such instantly labels you a racist with whom any debate is not possible.
Which is so mind bogglingly irrational and in the face of the evidence plain dumb, it beggars belief!
It does not matter how clear and concise you are in your assertion either. That being it is clearly not the only factor, it is clearly, even if it is a part of it a perversion, failure of understanding and an utter antithesis to the way in which a vast majority of that demographic think, follow their beliefs and partake in society.
It does not matter if you wholeheartedly agree that all of the failings from all quarters need to be also brought into focus, the police, authorities, councils etc etc etc all that is perfectly ok but don't you dare even try to say there could have been failings and influences from within their community, teachings, understanding and beliefs system that played a part - thats just racist!
Edited by heppers75 on Tuesday 9th September 13:33
Digga said:
AFAIC the debate now, should be about how we properly investigate what has gone wrong, where we apportion blame (aside from the obvious offenders themselves) and how the mindset of the nation has to change to adapt to these findings.
That sounds a bit too much like 'Learning lessons'. I think that can wait.In January 2015 PC Sarah Cohen of Devon & Cornwall police will be in Crown Court on four counts from 2011-2012 for allegedly assisting one of her Air Cadets get away with the sexual assault of minors. He was sentenced in his absence as he's done a runner.
The Berkshire penthouse of Cliff Richard was raided on the basis of an alleged incident at a football stadium in 1985.
So why isn't the police officer that said that statuary rape was 'consensual' going to get charged and explain their actions in court?
The 'Learning Lessons' LP is worn out. While we're awaiting a replacement some of these scum bags need to face their actions in court and doing their consideration of their actions from behind a cell door, be it in a court building or a prison.
A signal needs to be sent.
Isn't what's gone on Rotherham an offence against common decency or have I just made up a law?
Cyril Smith would have been charged for his actions today. So why aren't those that covered up what was going in Rotherham in the dock?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 9th September 13:59
carinaman said:
That sounds a bit too much like 'Learning lessons'...
If it did, it was not meant to. Rather, I would like the investigations to extend beyond the obvious, initial frontline failings -police, council, social services - in order to deal with where some of these misguided principles originated.carinaman said:
A signal needs to be sent.
Quite; that the policy makers and wordsmiths cannot lurk behind the frontline with impunity.heppers75 said:
Spot on.
The challenge we have is that nobody that is seemingly a member or at least a defender of the same demographic as the majority of the perpetrators seems to believe, wish ,want or think that there is any possible link, cause, reason or possible correlation to the fact that these men were a part of the same demographic, type of community or followers of a certain faith and to say, to even intimate as such instantly labels you a racist with whom any debate is not possible.
Which is so mind bogglingly irrational and in the face of the evidence plain dumb, it beggars belief!
It does not matter how clear and concise you are in your assertion either. That being it is clearly not the only factor, it is clearly, even if it is a part of it a perversion, failure of understanding and an utter antithesis to the way in which a vast majority of that demographic think, follow their beliefs and partake in society.
It does not matter if you wholeheartedly agree that all of the failings from all quarters need to be also brought into focus, the police, authorities, councils etc etc etc all that is perfectly ok but don't you dare even try to say there could have been failings and influences from within their community, teachings, understanding and beliefs system that played a part - thats just racist!
The only people shouting 'racism' are those on your side of the debate. I haven't called anybody a racist, nor even alluded to it.The challenge we have is that nobody that is seemingly a member or at least a defender of the same demographic as the majority of the perpetrators seems to believe, wish ,want or think that there is any possible link, cause, reason or possible correlation to the fact that these men were a part of the same demographic, type of community or followers of a certain faith and to say, to even intimate as such instantly labels you a racist with whom any debate is not possible.
Which is so mind bogglingly irrational and in the face of the evidence plain dumb, it beggars belief!
It does not matter how clear and concise you are in your assertion either. That being it is clearly not the only factor, it is clearly, even if it is a part of it a perversion, failure of understanding and an utter antithesis to the way in which a vast majority of that demographic think, follow their beliefs and partake in society.
It does not matter if you wholeheartedly agree that all of the failings from all quarters need to be also brought into focus, the police, authorities, councils etc etc etc all that is perfectly ok but don't you dare even try to say there could have been failings and influences from within their community, teachings, understanding and beliefs system that played a part - thats just racist!
Edited by heppers75 on Tuesday 9th September 13:33
All I asked for was evidence that multi-culturalism is the driving factor for rape in Sweden. If people are going to assert that, they should be able to back it up without recourse to obfuscation.
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