UK Honeymoon Couple Attacked in S.A.
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The great Shrien Dewani ‘Timeline of Innocence’ (taken from his own version of events):
1) Arrives in Cape Town with new wife Anni, meets moonlighting taxi driver Zola Tongo at airport, agrees to pay R250 for a ride that would cost R350 in a metered cab (a saving of nearly £6 – these things are important to a millionaire on a no-expense-spared honeymoon).
2) After arriving at the hotel in the taxi, Anni goes to check in and settles into the room. Dewani stays with Tongo, and asks him to organise a surprise helicopter trip for Anni. They swap phone numbers and agree to meet again later. Meeting duration: 13 minutes.
3) During dinner that evening, Dewani leaves Anni at the table and returns to his hotel room to phone Tongo.
4) At noon the next day, Dewani meets Tongo while Anni is by the hotel pool. He says the pair discuss the surprise helicopter trip, agreeing a fee of R15,000 (also the precise amount Tongo claims Dewani offered him to kill his wife). Meeting duration: 45 minutes.
5) That evening the pair are picked up by Tongo who takes took them on a short tour of Cape Town before taking them to a restaurant. Dewani says Tongo phones him while the couple are dining – he tells his wife he can’t hear above the noise, and goes outside to talk. Tongo says he wants to know how long they plan to take over dinner, and asks Dewani to pay an up-front deposit for the helicopter trip.
6) After dinner, the pair get into Tongo’s car. Dewani says he is now carrying R15,000, and puts most of it in his wife’s handbag. Anni apparently announces she wants to see ‘the real Africa’ and they set off for the fateful detour into the notoriously ropey township where she meets her end.
7) A CCTV recording made two days after the murder shows Dewani leading Tongo to a quiet business centre in the hotel, where he hands over a bag containing cash. That evening he flies back to the UK.
Summary: in the 24 hours before Anni’s murder, Dewani and Tongo meet alone for very nearly an hour, and exchange 12 calls or texts. These meetings and communications are not mentioned by Dewani in his police interview, or at a subsequent two-hour meeting with Anni’s bereaved family. He also at this stage omits any mention of the large cash sum.
It’s also worth noting that Dewani could have chartered a helicopter flight direct with a proper firm rather than some off-meter cabbie demanding cash upfront – and for much less money: http://www.cape-town-helicopter-tours.com/cape-tow... Especially odd given how keen he was to save a few quid on a cab ride from the airport.
1) Arrives in Cape Town with new wife Anni, meets moonlighting taxi driver Zola Tongo at airport, agrees to pay R250 for a ride that would cost R350 in a metered cab (a saving of nearly £6 – these things are important to a millionaire on a no-expense-spared honeymoon).
2) After arriving at the hotel in the taxi, Anni goes to check in and settles into the room. Dewani stays with Tongo, and asks him to organise a surprise helicopter trip for Anni. They swap phone numbers and agree to meet again later. Meeting duration: 13 minutes.
3) During dinner that evening, Dewani leaves Anni at the table and returns to his hotel room to phone Tongo.
4) At noon the next day, Dewani meets Tongo while Anni is by the hotel pool. He says the pair discuss the surprise helicopter trip, agreeing a fee of R15,000 (also the precise amount Tongo claims Dewani offered him to kill his wife). Meeting duration: 45 minutes.
5) That evening the pair are picked up by Tongo who takes took them on a short tour of Cape Town before taking them to a restaurant. Dewani says Tongo phones him while the couple are dining – he tells his wife he can’t hear above the noise, and goes outside to talk. Tongo says he wants to know how long they plan to take over dinner, and asks Dewani to pay an up-front deposit for the helicopter trip.
6) After dinner, the pair get into Tongo’s car. Dewani says he is now carrying R15,000, and puts most of it in his wife’s handbag. Anni apparently announces she wants to see ‘the real Africa’ and they set off for the fateful detour into the notoriously ropey township where she meets her end.
7) A CCTV recording made two days after the murder shows Dewani leading Tongo to a quiet business centre in the hotel, where he hands over a bag containing cash. That evening he flies back to the UK.
Summary: in the 24 hours before Anni’s murder, Dewani and Tongo meet alone for very nearly an hour, and exchange 12 calls or texts. These meetings and communications are not mentioned by Dewani in his police interview, or at a subsequent two-hour meeting with Anni’s bereaved family. He also at this stage omits any mention of the large cash sum.
It’s also worth noting that Dewani could have chartered a helicopter flight direct with a proper firm rather than some off-meter cabbie demanding cash upfront – and for much less money: http://www.cape-town-helicopter-tours.com/cape-tow... Especially odd given how keen he was to save a few quid on a cab ride from the airport.
Edited by JF87 on Tuesday 9th December 17:52
Mermaid said:
Why would Dewani take the risk of involving an unknown 3rd party, instead of arranging an "accident"?
I hope I didn't suggest he did anything of the sort - lets not incur the wrath of Breadkhan. Unless you're talking about the arrangement of that surprise helicopter flight...Not sure though what you mean by an "accident". Don't imagine that would be any less hazardous to carry off without attracting suspicion. The sad truth is that it's hardly uncommon for one idiot to pay another idiot to kill someone, with both parties being swiftly rumbled. Probably more common in SA, but it happens here quite regularly.
Mermaid said:
South Africa - post Pistorius & Dewani -anyone think this will affect tourism?
I would not go to Gugulethu, but lots of nice places out there - great weather, good food & wine, excellent roads....
I doubt it will change anything. South Africa has been renowned for violent crime for many years worldwide.I would not go to Gugulethu, but lots of nice places out there - great weather, good food & wine, excellent roads....
Does it really matter that much that the dirt bag is 'free'. 90% of the public think he is guilty. Even worse, the Asian community think he is even worse than that! He will be an outcast and odds are leave the UK and live somewhere else. The system does work. He will be judged by his peers
You say that like it's a good thing. History is littered with accounts of innocent peoples persecuted for the rest of their lives by those hell bent on something wrapped up as justice, but is actually revenge served with a generous side order of malice and prejudice.
He's been found innocent. What right does anyone else have to stand in judgment of him or applaud his potentially persecuted future.
He's been found innocent. What right does anyone else have to stand in judgment of him or applaud his potentially persecuted future.
burwoodman said:
Does it really matter that much that the dirt bag is 'free'. 90% of the public think he is guilty. Even worse, the Asian community think he is even worse than that! He will be an outcast and odds are leave the UK and live somewhere else. The system does work. He will be judged by his peers
Dirt bag eh? Thankfully most people aren't as ignorant as you and accept judicial outcomes for what they are; rarely are all parties totally satisfied but with opposing interests would we expect any different? (Rhetorical question, please dont talk to me etc).
As for being an outcast, I happen to live in the same neighbourhood as Mr Dewani and the leaders of the local hindu community are on record as looking forward to welcoming his return.
burwoodman said:
Does it really matter that much that the dirt bag is 'free'. 90% of the public think he is guilty. Even worse, the Asian community think he is even worse than that! He will be an outcast and odds are leave the UK and live somewhere else. The system does work. He will be judged by his peers
OJ's life was anything but normal after the private prosecutions etc so this could drag on for a while. But ultimately OJ would have blended in with the background had it not been for the Vegas robbery,He has the money, the case against him has been thrown out. The Asian community - does it matter to him?
JF87 said:
The great Shrien Dewani ‘Timeline of Innocence’ (taken from his own version of events):
1) Arrives in Cape Town with new wife Anni, meets moonlighting taxi driver Zola Tongo at airport, agrees to pay R250 for a ride that would cost R350 in a metered cab (a saving of nearly £6 – these things are important to a millionaire on a no-expense-spared honeymoon).
2) After arriving at the hotel in the taxi, Anni goes to check in and settles into the room. Dewani stays with Tongo, and asks him to organise a surprise helicopter trip for Anni. They swap phone numbers and agree to meet again later. Meeting duration: 13 minutes.
3) During dinner that evening, Dewani leaves Anni at the table and returns to his hotel room to phone Tongo.
4) At noon the next day, Dewani meets Tongo while Anni is by the hotel pool. He says the pair discuss the surprise helicopter trip, agreeing a fee of R15,000 (also the precise amount Tongo claims Dewani offered him to kill his wife). Meeting duration: 45 minutes.
5) That evening the pair are picked up by Tongo who takes took them on a short tour of Cape Town before taking them to a restaurant. Dewani says Tongo phones him while the couple are dining – he tells his wife he can’t hear above the noise, and goes outside to talk. Tongo says he wants to know how long they plan to take over dinner, and asks Dewani to pay an up-front deposit for the helicopter trip.
6) After dinner, the pair get into Tongo’s car. Dewani says he is now carrying R15,000, and puts most of it in his wife’s handbag. Anni apparently announces she wants to see ‘the real Africa’ and they set off for the fateful detour into the notoriously ropey township where she meets her end.
7) A CCTV recording made two days after the murder shows Dewani leading Tongo to a quiet business centre in the hotel, where he hands over a bag containing cash. That evening he flies back to the UK.
Summary: in the 24 hours before Anni’s murder, Dewani and Tongo meet alone for very nearly an hour, and exchange 12 calls or texts. These meetings and communications are not mentioned by Dewani in his police interview, or at a subsequent two-hour meeting with Anni’s bereaved family. He also at this stage omits any mention of the large cash sum.
It’s also worth noting that Dewani could have chartered a helicopter flight direct with a proper firm rather than some off-meter cabbie demanding cash upfront – and for much less money: http://www.cape-town-helicopter-tours.com/cape-tow... Especially odd given how keen he was to save a few quid on a cab ride from the airport.
Dewani abandoned his bride to two murdering robbers in a South African slum. Saved himself from two gang bangers in the night. 1) Arrives in Cape Town with new wife Anni, meets moonlighting taxi driver Zola Tongo at airport, agrees to pay R250 for a ride that would cost R350 in a metered cab (a saving of nearly £6 – these things are important to a millionaire on a no-expense-spared honeymoon).
2) After arriving at the hotel in the taxi, Anni goes to check in and settles into the room. Dewani stays with Tongo, and asks him to organise a surprise helicopter trip for Anni. They swap phone numbers and agree to meet again later. Meeting duration: 13 minutes.
3) During dinner that evening, Dewani leaves Anni at the table and returns to his hotel room to phone Tongo.
4) At noon the next day, Dewani meets Tongo while Anni is by the hotel pool. He says the pair discuss the surprise helicopter trip, agreeing a fee of R15,000 (also the precise amount Tongo claims Dewani offered him to kill his wife). Meeting duration: 45 minutes.
5) That evening the pair are picked up by Tongo who takes took them on a short tour of Cape Town before taking them to a restaurant. Dewani says Tongo phones him while the couple are dining – he tells his wife he can’t hear above the noise, and goes outside to talk. Tongo says he wants to know how long they plan to take over dinner, and asks Dewani to pay an up-front deposit for the helicopter trip.
6) After dinner, the pair get into Tongo’s car. Dewani says he is now carrying R15,000, and puts most of it in his wife’s handbag. Anni apparently announces she wants to see ‘the real Africa’ and they set off for the fateful detour into the notoriously ropey township where she meets her end.
7) A CCTV recording made two days after the murder shows Dewani leading Tongo to a quiet business centre in the hotel, where he hands over a bag containing cash. That evening he flies back to the UK.
Summary: in the 24 hours before Anni’s murder, Dewani and Tongo meet alone for very nearly an hour, and exchange 12 calls or texts. These meetings and communications are not mentioned by Dewani in his police interview, or at a subsequent two-hour meeting with Anni’s bereaved family. He also at this stage omits any mention of the large cash sum.
It’s also worth noting that Dewani could have chartered a helicopter flight direct with a proper firm rather than some off-meter cabbie demanding cash upfront – and for much less money: http://www.cape-town-helicopter-tours.com/cape-tow... Especially odd given how keen he was to save a few quid on a cab ride from the airport.
Edited by JF87 on Tuesday 9th December 17:52
Additional to this, when Tonga gets back to the hotel, Dewani is more than very interested to enquire as to his safety, repeatedly asking him if he's 'ok'. Personally, I'd have been giving him a bloody hiding for taking me and the wife somewhere where she'd got abducted and murderred. I'd have been reaching for the nearest weapon, and I'd have been accusing him of being involved in the whole thing. But no, Dewani apparently feels he needs to give Tonga money for his troubles. Thanks for the service geezer, have a tip.
Perhaps I need to take lessons in being a better, more trusting human, from Mr Dewani.
drivin_me_nuts said:
You say that like it's a good thing. History is littered with accounts of innocent peoples persecuted for the rest of their lives by those hell bent on something wrapped up as justice, but is actually revenge served with a generous side order of malice and prejudice.
He's been found innocent. What right does anyone else have to stand in judgment of him or applaud his potentially persecuted future.
To clarify I thought the case was dropped because of poor prosecution evidence - he was not therefore found innocent He's been found innocent. What right does anyone else have to stand in judgment of him or applaud his potentially persecuted future.
There is no such verdict as "found innocent". Dewani was found not guilty. That means that he is innocent in the eyes of the criminal law. If anyone says he is guilty, they could be called on to prove that if Dewani sues. He might sue, he might not; but why expose PH to needless risk?
Leaving aside perverse decisions, every single prosecution that fails does so because the prosecution evidence is not good enough.
This was not an acquittal on a technicality. Dewani went into court presumed innocent. He left the Court presumed innocent. These are not difficult concepts.
Leaving aside perverse decisions, every single prosecution that fails does so because the prosecution evidence is not good enough.
This was not an acquittal on a technicality. Dewani went into court presumed innocent. He left the Court presumed innocent. These are not difficult concepts.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th December 20:38
Breadvan72 said:
There is no such verdict as "found innocent". Dewani was found not guilty. That means that he is innocent in the eyes of the criminal law. If anyone says he is guilty, they could be called on to prove that if Dewani sues. He might sue, he might not; but why expose PH to needless risk?
Leaving aside perverse decisions, every single prosecution that fails does so because the prosecution evidence is not good enough.
This was not an acquittal on a technicality. Dewani went into court presumed innocent. He left the Court presumed innocent. These are not difficult concepts.
In which case I stand corrected and he was found innocent.Leaving aside perverse decisions, every single prosecution that fails does so because the prosecution evidence is not good enough.
This was not an acquittal on a technicality. Dewani went into court presumed innocent. He left the Court presumed innocent. These are not difficult concepts.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Tuesday 9th December 20:38
HoHoHo said:
To clarify I thought the case was dropped because of poor prosecution evidence - he was not therefore found innocent
He was not guilty because the prosecution witnesses could not be trusted to tell the truth on any level so they have no case so he is not guilty. Thats why he is on a plane home.Whatever personal opinions we may have about the bloke as far as the real world is concerned he is free to get on with his life.
DoubleSix said:
burwoodman said:
Does it really matter that much that the dirt bag is 'free'. 90% of the public think he is guilty. Even worse, the Asian community think he is even worse than that! He will be an outcast and odds are leave the UK and live somewhere else. The system does work. He will be judged by his peers
Dirt bag eh? Thankfully most people aren't as ignorant as you and accept judicial outcomes for what they are; rarely are all parties totally satisfied but with opposing interests would we expect any different? (Rhetorical question, please dont talk to me etc).
As for being an outcast, I happen to live in the same neighbourhood as Mr Dewani and the leaders of the local hindu community are on record as looking forward to welcoming his return.
johnxjsc1985 said:
HoHoHo said:
To clarify I thought the case was dropped because of poor prosecution evidence - he was not therefore found innocent
He was not guilty because the prosecution witnesses could not be trusted to tell the truth on any level so they have no case so he is not guilty. Thats why he is on a plane home.Whatever personal opinions we may have about the bloke as far as the real world is concerned he is free to get on with his life.
Doublesix, i'll show my hand right here. I would die protecting my wife or children. I have only one question for your Mr Dewani (spinleess sac of s
t at best) why run and not protect his wife? hmm, I guess we will never know. but ultimate pussy is the minimum he is guilty of even though that in itself is an oxymoron. you can do one and all too. welcome him home. what a tard
t at best) why run and not protect his wife? hmm, I guess we will never know. but ultimate pussy is the minimum he is guilty of even though that in itself is an oxymoron. you can do one and all too. welcome him home. what a tardGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff