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Unreal

3,636 posts

27 months

Monday 20th May
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Jinx said:
Unreal said:
dukeboy749r said:
Just seen this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/icc-seeking-a...

ICC seeking an arrest warrant for the Israeli PM.

Cat/pigeons.
Anyone else?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/20/...

Biden condemns outrageous attempt to seek arrest warrant.
Do you agree with all the arrest warrant requests?

MrJuice

3,404 posts

158 months

Tuesday 21st May
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo

Most moral army in the world unnecessarily keeping patients in nappies with all four limbs cuffed. Reported by employees of most moral army in the world.

Absolutely incredible

honda_exige

6,077 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Jinx said:
Unreal said:
dukeboy749r said:
Just seen this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/icc-seeking-a...

ICC seeking an arrest warrant for the Israeli PM.

Cat/pigeons.
Anyone else?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/20/...

Biden condemns outrageous attempt to seek arrest warrant.
The US isn't even a signatory to the ICC so he can shut the fk up.

Does mean Bibi will have to be very careful how he gets places in the future, even the US.

All it would take is for someone to have a medical emergency, real or fake, and the plane will divert to the nearest airport.

Solocle

3,363 posts

86 months

Tuesday 21st May
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honda_exige said:
The US isn't even a signatory to the ICC so he can shut the fk up.

Does mean Bibi will have to be very careful how he gets places in the future, even the US.

All it would take is for someone to have a medical emergency, real or fake, and the plane will divert to the nearest airport.
Article 40 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english...
While Bibi is Head of State, he's certainly entitled to such protection. E.g. addressing the UN in New York or such.

honda_exige

6,077 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Solocle said:
honda_exige said:
The US isn't even a signatory to the ICC so he can shut the fk up.

Does mean Bibi will have to be very careful how he gets places in the future, even the US.

All it would take is for someone to have a medical emergency, real or fake, and the plane will divert to the nearest airport.
Article 40 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english...
While Bibi is Head of State, he's certainly entitled to such protection. E.g. addressing the UN in New York or such.
And so is Putin, but Putin will likely remain head of state until his death - Bibi, not so certain - unless his heart does everyone a favour in the near future biggrin

smn159

12,828 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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MrJuice said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo

Most moral army in the world unnecessarily keeping patients in nappies with all four limbs cuffed. Reported by employees of most moral army in the world.

Absolutely incredible
Whistle blowers claim that operations are being performed without anaesthetic as 'an act of revenge' frown



fizz47

2,701 posts

212 months

Tuesday 21st May
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The so called ‘democracy’ acting democratic again…

The democracy who voted for a head of state who is now potentially going to be arrested for war crimes …

https://x.com/ap/status/1792905027331265001?s=46&a...

fido

16,876 posts

257 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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honda_exige said:
And so is Putin, but Putin will likely remain head of state until his death - Bibi, not so certain - unless his heart does everyone a favour in the near future biggrin
Difference is Putin isn't a defender and perceived as an aggressor whereas Israel is fighting a defensive war. Yes, Israel has made mistakes since 1967 by trying to make peace (land for peace, maritime borders for peace, peace for peace, money for peace ..with Arabs who don't want peace and perceive as a signal to attack) but I guess they won't hand back their own territory again.

fizz47

2,701 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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People very conveniently forget that Israel is an occupying force as determined by legal and international standards so the false statement of its just defending itself when in fact they are an illegal occupying force for the last 75 years is just the morally corrupt trying to rewrite history.





Rick_1138

3,691 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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fizz47 said:
People very conveniently forget that Israel is an occupying force as determined by legal and international standards so the false statement of its just defending itself when in fact they are an illegal occupying force for the last 75 years is just the morally corrupt trying to rewrite history.
banghead

andymadmak

14,665 posts

272 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Rick_1138 said:
fizz47 said:
People very conveniently forget that Israel is an occupying force as determined by legal and international standards so the false statement of its just defending itself when in fact they are an illegal occupying force for the last 75 years is just the morally corrupt trying to rewrite history.
banghead
Not according to the UN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_St...


Oliver Hardy

2,659 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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fizz47 said:
People very conveniently forget that Israel is an occupying force as determined by legal and international standards so the false statement of its just defending itself when in fact they are an illegal occupying force for the last 75 years is just the morally corrupt trying to rewrite history.
Occupying force, of what?

Mojooo

12,804 posts

182 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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epom said:
Protests for this in the UK incoming...

dukeboy749r

2,807 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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fido said:
Difference is Putin isn't a defender and perceived as an aggressor whereas Israel is fighting a defensive war. Yes, Israel has made mistakes since 1967 by trying to make peace (land for peace, maritime borders for peace, peace for peace, money for peace ..with Arabs who don't want peace and perceive as a signal to attack) but I guess they won't hand back their own territory again.
Is this a parody?

A defensive war?

I suspect you might need to look up the meaning of both defensive and war.

Israel is taking steps (revenge?) against both an organisation and a people and it sure looks too one-sided to be considered a 'war'.

Campaign, definitely.

War would imply Hamas and the Palestinian people were actively doing what they could to attack Israel and had (at least) similar capabilities. Surely?

fido

16,876 posts

257 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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dukeboy749r said:
War would imply Hamas and the Palestinian people were actively doing what they could to attack Israel and had (at least) similar capabilities. Surely?
Palestinian people voted in Hamas/terrorists and now they reap the rewards of their decision. Fair or not, these are the same consequences as any other country would face if they attacked another country. They always have the option to surrender unconditionally. One-sided is irrelevant. For example Japan lost over half a million civilians in the final 6 months of WW2 - should the US have stopped because it was one-sided? No of course not.

Ian Geary

4,535 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Another cat amongst the pigeons

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nn78r3w3ko

Two things jumped out for me from the article:

_ Spain PM says "Hamas is not the Palastinain people"

- Bassem Naim, a senior Hamas figure, said the "brave resistance" of the Palestinian people was behind the move.



So, where are the Palastinain people on this all? Frankly I don't see how anyone can tell, or even ask them.

What they can do of course is put words in their mouth (and I'm talking about both sides here)

Ian Geary

4,535 posts

194 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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dukeboy749r said:
Is this a parody?

A defensive war?

I suspect you might need to look up the meaning of both defensive and war.

Israel is taking steps (revenge?) against both an organisation and a people and it sure looks too one-sided to be considered a 'war'.

Campaign, definitely.

War would imply Hamas and the Palestinian people were actively doing what they could to attack Israel and had (at least) similar capabilities. Surely?
There's a term - a-symettric warfare.

It's nonsense to assume wars have to be equal, otherwise bibi and the Hamas chap would just face each other at 12 paces with pistols.

Nations spend a great deal to ensure wars are as unequal as possible, and sometimes you get unlikely results - was there not a story about David and some big chap? And didn't 300 Greeks hold off a million Persians giving time for reinforcements to arrive?

Anyway, the situation in Gaza / Israel is obviously a war, and has been since 1948 ( of varying degrees)

It doesn't excuse poor treatment of course, or acts of revenge on prisoners

(without getting drawn into equalence of Hamas's treatment of prisoners)

fizz47

2,701 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Nope no war crimes going on here ….IDF the most moral army in the world…


‘Israeli soldiers and police tipping off groups that attack Gaza aid trucks’


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may...

Solocle

3,363 posts

86 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Oliver Hardy said:
fizz47 said:
People very conveniently forget that Israel is an occupying force as determined by legal and international standards so the false statement of its just defending itself when in fact they are an illegal occupying force for the last 75 years is just the morally corrupt trying to rewrite history.
Occupying force, of what?
Given that they write 75 years (actually Yom Haatzmaut 76 was this month), one can only assume that they view the entirety of Israel as "occupied territory", endorsing the very Palestinian maximalism that has prolonged this conflict for so long.