The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
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hidetheelephants said:
tamore said:
yep. www.google.com
edit to be a little less flippant…. widely reported they will be out of cash at the end of this year. that will be £500m spent. surely if it was viable they could raise further funding from anywhere, not me as a taxpayer!
It's not widely reported, which was why I asked? Why be confrontational? Nuclear power being capital intensive is not news.edit to be a little less flippant…. widely reported they will be out of cash at the end of this year. that will be £500m spent. surely if it was viable they could raise further funding from anywhere, not me as a taxpayer!
i personally have SMRs alongside CCS, hydrogen being the 'answer', and other tech which appears to solve a lot of problems at a stroke but is much, much harder and more expensive when you peel a few layers back.
just my opinion.
NRS said:
PushedDover said:
Most of the complications I would level at the immaturity of GE a mass volume Offshore Wind Turbine supplier.
Water depth of Doggerbank is average / not a challenge, nor the soils compared to say the likes of Moray East or NNG.
Do they have glauconite then?Water depth of Doggerbank is average / not a challenge, nor the soils compared to say the likes of Moray East or NNG.
PushedDover said:
NRS said:
PushedDover said:
Most of the complications I would level at the immaturity of GE a mass volume Offshore Wind Turbine supplier.
Water depth of Doggerbank is average / not a challenge, nor the soils compared to say the likes of Moray East or NNG.
Do they have glauconite then?Water depth of Doggerbank is average / not a challenge, nor the soils compared to say the likes of Moray East or NNG.
PushedDover said:
What a load of baloney - and another trip wire being laid to prevent USA offshore wind, which by the way has just made huge progress off the coast of NY today in those projects
It bears no resemblance to the reasons I gave above for the projects here in the uk though
Shooting the messenger? I had no idea what glauconite was until I checked with reference to turbines so posted the first result I found. Calm down!!It bears no resemblance to the reasons I gave above for the projects here in the uk though
hidetheelephants said:
"Saving Seafood conducts media and public relations outreach on behalf of the seafood industry, as well as communications to keep industry members aware of issues and events of concern."
An industry mouthpiece with an axe to grind? Shirley not!
Sod the link I posted (see my above post) do you disagree that Glauconitic soil is an issue where turbine bases are located? Do you think that there are many posters in here (myself for one) have even heard of the term and it's implications? Did you?An industry mouthpiece with an axe to grind? Shirley not!
Many here would know about scouring issues and that's about it............Shirley
hidetheelephants said:
It's a component of sandstone and shale, I don't see what impact it would have. I am not a geologist.
Neither am I but i've no doubt that Pushedover will enlighten us all about the ongoing problems with 'scouring' around turbine bases. PS. I have no idea if Glauconite is an issue in our waters but that was the question that was posed earlier by NRS which then got ridiculed as "baloney"
dickymint said:
hidetheelephants said:
It's a component of sandstone and shale, I don't see what impact it would have. I am not a geologist.
Neither am I but i've no doubt that Pushedover will enlighten us all about the ongoing problems with 'scouring' around turbine bases. PS. I have no idea if Glauconite is an issue in our waters but that was the question that was posed earlier by NRS which then got ridiculed as "baloney"
(For those that care mud is easier to push into at the base, but then adds friction of ‘sucking’ on the sides as they slide into the mud. Sandstones have more friction at the front as you have to push past the hard grains, but the grains will more along the sides so less friction there. Glauconite is typically sand covered in a type of ‘mud’ so you get both the friction at the front and along the sides of the tube as you try and push it into the soil, too much friction and you can’t do it/the anchor tube gets damaged.)
dickymint said:
PushedDover said:
What a load of baloney - and another trip wire being laid to prevent USA offshore wind, which by the way has just made huge progress off the coast of NY today in those projects
It bears no resemblance to the reasons I gave above for the projects here in the uk though
Shooting the messenger? I had no idea what glauconite was until I checked with reference to turbines so posted the first result I found. Calm down!!It bears no resemblance to the reasons I gave above for the projects here in the uk though
Edited by PushedDover on Friday 1st March 14:36
dickymint said:
hidetheelephants said:
It's a component of sandstone and shale, I don't see what impact it would have. I am not a geologist.
Neither am I but i've no doubt that Pushedover will enlighten us all about the ongoing problems with 'scouring' around turbine bases. PS. I have no idea if Glauconite is an issue in our waters but that was the question that was posed earlier by NRS which then got ridiculed as "baloney"
I said the article was baloney and irrelevant. not a poster per se.
Particularly to the original query of why is Doggerbank progress slow "Do they have glauconite then?"
For what its worth, Foundation installation (the only plausible connection a windfarm could have with Glauconite) is ok. It is, as I have stated - " the immaturity of GE a mass volume Offshore Wind Turbine supplier."
Scour, is a different subject, and not part of the Doggerbank discussion on many ways.
Robin Rigg struggled with the shifting sands as much as scour and we removed two complete turbines, foundations (cables left IIRC) back a decade ago due to this.
Since then various mitigation measures, concepts and technologies - not to mention the siting of the windfarms themselves - has not seen the same action (reaction?) required.
Deesee said:
It’s a ‘greensand’ we have a strip of it near by, the houses literally have no foundations as it’s so strong as a sub base.
They will need to deep drill through that imo, deeper..
Probably easier to build an island off of it.
And likely not a selection of a site by a developer / black list it. They will need to deep drill through that imo, deeper..
Probably easier to build an island off of it.
The French sites (LeTreport & Fecamp IIRC) had an awful lot of rock below the surface that was underestimated a decade ago when the back to front leasing system the French used, to 'reduce risk', came about - giving huge headaches to the installation contractor (MPI Offhore / VAn Oord again IIRC) needing to drill loads of sockets not straight forward knocking pins in. This then led to the fisherman calling Zut Alors for noise and vibration effects etc.
Hope that helps
Moving on - and to Grid / infrastructure I see that Ofgem have approved two new Hybrid Offshore Asset cables.
interconnectors to the continent via windfarms - smart and something I mooted some time ago, allowing the electrons to travel to where needed (who's buying).
LionLink
Also the Tarchon cable (610km / 1.4GW)
interconnectors to the continent via windfarms - smart and something I mooted some time ago, allowing the electrons to travel to where needed (who's buying).
LionLink
Also the Tarchon cable (610km / 1.4GW)
I know how excited people get about subsidies for wind and solar, so for balance the T-4 capacity auction cleared the other day at £65/kwh, which represents a total subsidy to mainly thermal plant of £2.7bn. There was nothing particularly exciting about it, no big new units. Mainly existing kit, some new batteries and small engines. The most amusing thing is that 2.8MW of solar was given a CM contract - the chances of solar doing anything during a CM event is minimal, electricity usage tends to be highest when the lights are on and solar is not known for providing much energy at those times!
Condi said:
I know how excited people get about subsidies for wind and solar, so for balance the T-4 capacity auction cleared the other day at £65/kwh, which represents a total subsidy to mainly thermal plant of £2.7bn. There was nothing particularly exciting about it, no big new units. Mainly existing kit, some new batteries and small engines. The most amusing thing is that 2.8MW of solar was given a CM contract - the chances of solar doing anything during a CM event is minimal, electricity usage tends to be highest when the lights are on and solar is not known for providing much energy at those times!
Maybe they have an onsite battery? Or it's spanish and they have a diesel generator? 
hidetheelephants said:
Condi said:
I know how excited people get about subsidies for wind and solar, so for balance the T-4 capacity auction cleared the other day at £65/kwh, which represents a total subsidy to mainly thermal plant of £2.7bn. There was nothing particularly exciting about it, no big new units. Mainly existing kit, some new batteries and small engines. The most amusing thing is that 2.8MW of solar was given a CM contract - the chances of solar doing anything during a CM event is minimal, electricity usage tends to be highest when the lights are on and solar is not known for providing much energy at those times!
Maybe they have an onsite battery? Or it's spanish and they have a diesel generator? TGCOTF-dewey said:
hidetheelephants said:
Condi said:
I know how excited people get about subsidies for wind and solar, so for balance the T-4 capacity auction cleared the other day at £65/kwh, which represents a total subsidy to mainly thermal plant of £2.7bn. There was nothing particularly exciting about it, no big new units. Mainly existing kit, some new batteries and small engines. The most amusing thing is that 2.8MW of solar was given a CM contract - the chances of solar doing anything during a CM event is minimal, electricity usage tends to be highest when the lights are on and solar is not known for providing much energy at those times!
Maybe they have an onsite battery? Or it's spanish and they have a diesel generator? 
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