Give us a fracking break!
Discussion
snuffy said:
BIANCO said:
She was going on that's its was against democracy and that there could be a revolution if it continued.
That sounds like the women on North West Tonight on Thursday night. She was banging on how it was an affront to democracy in the UK. Talk about make yourself look like a t
t.And the other classic one is "our views are being ignored / we are not being listened to". No, they have been listened to, considered, and then dismissed. That's not the same thing. It's like Sturgeon's standard response when the Government tells her she's talking b
ks: "I'm being bullied". Again, no - you are not. You are being told "no". Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
turbobloke said:
Exactly. Her personal views may be shared by other uninformed individuals but should not be allowed to interfere with something that will be for the greater good of the greater number. News reports suggest that an army of ecomuppets is descending on the two sites in quesiton, all arriving by unicycle no doubt. And no litter will remain afterwards as a result of the high regard these crusties and wannabe hippies have for their environment...which would make a change.
Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
I have sympathy with the locals who have been wound up into fearing that their world is about to collapse around them. The activists make far more people unhappy with their hyperbolic opinions which they foist upon the locals than all the fracking wells combined. It's disgusting manipulation of the people's ignorance for political ends.Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
motco said:
turbobloke said:
Exactly. Her personal views may be shared by other uninformed individuals but should not be allowed to interfere with something that will be for the greater good of the greater number. News reports suggest that an army of ecomuppets is descending on the two sites in quesiton, all arriving by unicycle no doubt. And no litter will remain afterwards as a result of the high regard these crusties and wannabe hippies have for their environment...which would make a change.
Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
I have sympathy with the locals who have been wound up into fearing that their world is about to collapse around them. The activists make far more people unhappy with their hyperbolic opinions which they foist upon the locals than all the fracking wells combined. It's disgusting manipulation of the people's ignorance for political ends.Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
motco said:
I have sympathy with the locals who have been wound up into fearing that their world is about to collapse around them.
That's exactly what someone said on NWT as well on Thursday. She said something like "Why are they [the government I assume] letting these people ruin our lives?". She was almost in tears as she was in such a state.
Nr Walkington, Beverley at a conventional exploration site (Oh no man, it's fracking - em no it wasn't) the crusties set up protesting and walking slowly across the enterence repeatedly. They also congested the area. Instead of being moved on for obstrution, the council installed a 30 limit FFS!
Several months later... they did get evicted to cries of "They are destroying our homes..." "We have a right to be here..."
No you don't, you lost the case now go forth and multiply (hopefully not the last bit or that is more of a drain on my tax bill...)
Several months later... they did get evicted to cries of "They are destroying our homes..." "We have a right to be here..."
No you don't, you lost the case now go forth and multiply (hopefully not the last bit or that is more of a drain on my tax bill...)
Oakey said:
and on the way back
That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Ah, Preston New Rd. - not the safest place in the world to stand in the middle of !That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Like many who live in the area I felt the earthquake we had a few years ago which was blamed on test fracking, but TBH the house shakes more every time a bus goes past :/
MartG said:
Oakey said:
and on the way back
That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Ah, Preston New Rd. - not the safest place in the world to stand in the middle of !That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Like many who live in the area I felt the earthquake we had a few years ago which was blamed on test fracking, but TBH the house shakes more every time a bus goes past :/
Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
hepy said:
In my opinion, the only reason for the protests as that both of the proposed sites are 'well to do' areas and are able to mobilise various legal resources and contacts. If they were looking to frack within a mile of Blackpool Town Centre, it would have been approved much earlier.
Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
....or god forbid near Sandbanks......Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
hepy said:
MartG said:
Oakey said:
and on the way back
That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Ah, Preston New Rd. - not the safest place in the world to stand in the middle of !That's a 50mph road they're standing around in
Like many who live in the area I felt the earthquake we had a few years ago which was blamed on test fracking, but TBH the house shakes more every time a bus goes past :/
Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
And don't forget the Gatwick find, as well as there are quite a few wells spread across the South which have been stimulated already.
But none of the Dorking locals near Holmwood are aware there is already a producing oil well within only a couple of miles of the town centre, and that has been there for many years!!!
Once the drilling has been done and the trees shield the site boundary, nobody will know these places are even there any more than say a builders yard.
With so little conventional domestic gas left, we need to get theses gas well producing to feed our power stations within the next few years.
If we have a shortage of gas supply, then the power station may suffer at the same time.
Pushing prices up and even possibly blackouts to balance supply and demand.
TURBOBLOKE has been saying for some time to get thermals, I say get yourself a Generator!
zygalski said:
gruffalo said:
zygalski said:
Going well in Pennsylvania.
Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...
I think you missed out the word "claimed".Only 243 cases of water contamination in that state from 2008-2014.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/8/29/1325694/-P...
Just on question in relation to that photo which I believe has been proved a fake, how does the gas get into a pipe?
http://files.dep.state.pa.us/OilGas/BOGM/BOGMPorta...
Here's one I clicked on at random:
Edited by zygalski on Friday 7th October 07:03
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2007/5085/
turbobloke said:
snuffy said:
BIANCO said:
She was going on that's its was against democracy and that there could be a revolution if it continued.
That sounds like the women on North West Tonight on Thursday night. She was banging on how it was an affront to democracy in the UK. Talk about make yourself look like a tt.And the other classic one is "our views are being ignored / we are not being listened to". No, they have been listened to, considered, and then dismissed. That's not the same thing. It's like Sturgeon's standard response when the Government tells her she's talking b
ks: "I'm being bullied". Again, no - you are not. You are being told "no". Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
There will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
sparkythecat said:
The sad part is that the residents most effected by this will see very few benefits from fracking. The jobs that are created will be inevitably be given to outside contractors rather than to jobless locals.
There will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
If I can quantify, currently at this very moment almost 60% of UK electrical power is coming from Combined Cycle Gas Turbine generation.There will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
It is a single National system, so everybody will benefit from cheaper gas to fire these power stations.
Another huge 2000MW coal fired power station shut this year and so our supply and demand capability has yet again reduced.
If the gas industry has a shortfall of gas supply, they would have to shut off the large industrial consumers, with power stations being some of these.
It is a nightmare scenario if gas supply is lost to cause this.
There is STOR (Short Term Operating Reserve) to help out but a lot of these are diesel generation sets lined up in fields, ready to fire up and assist.
Never heard anyone complain these are near their home by the way.
But the real benefit to locals could be that once the pipeline is put in, then a local distribution system is more likely to be built to allow then to go onto gas if they should whish.
sparkythecat said:
turbobloke said:
snuffy said:
BIANCO said:
She was going on that's its was against democracy and that there could be a revolution if it continued.
That sounds like the women on North West Tonight on Thursday night. She was banging on how it was an affront to democracy in the UK. Talk about make yourself look like a tt.And the other classic one is "our views are being ignored / we are not being listened to". No, they have been listened to, considered, and then dismissed. That's not the same thing. It's like Sturgeon's standard response when the Government tells her she's talking b
ks: "I'm being bullied". Again, no - you are not. You are being told "no". Legitimate peaceful protest is always OK but if legitimate process is blocked or violence erupts then they should be arrested.
There will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
sparkythecat said:
The sad part is that the residents most effected by this will see very few benefits from fracking. The jobs that are created will be inevitably be given to outside contractors rather than to jobless locals.
There will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
How do you know? It's not as if the Fylde is short of people working in the Oil & Gas industryThere will be no cheap gas for local people, from under whose homes it is extracted. It will all be sold at market rate and profits will go to the shareholders of The US and Australian companies who own 90% of Cuadrilla shares. The UK Treasury will also see their take minimised, because the major shareholders offshore their accounts in the Cayman Islands.
If as some have suggested, shale gas extraction is necessary for 'the greater good',
then perhaps it should be nationalised, to maximise any good that it brings?
BIANCO said:
Haven't they said that some of the money made from it will be directly spent in the areas directly affected?.
Any money spent by them will likely be tax deductible, so no real nett gain there.
BIANCO said:
And when you say being extracted from under their homes. Do you think that anyone who lives above a underground tunnel in london should get money every time a train goes under them? Should anyone living above a sewage line or any other pipe or cable be compensated. Even if it has no noticeable affect on the residents and actually provides them a service?.
Commercial fracking has never before been undertaken in this country. Given that there has only as yet been limited exploration here, it's far too soon to say that it will have no noticeable effect on residents...apart from the earthquakes, that isGT03ROB said:
hepy said:
In my opinion, the only reason for the protests as that both of the proposed sites are 'well to do' areas and are able to mobilise various legal resources and contacts. If they were looking to frack within a mile of Blackpool Town Centre, it would have been approved much earlier.
Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
....or god forbid near Sandbanks......Wait until someone wants to frack in the Home Counties!
Drilling didn't give any cause for concern....
sparkythecat said:
The jobs that are created will be inevitably be given to outside contractors rather than to jobless locals.
True. Because jobless locals of course do not have the skills required. But the people than can do those roles will support local businesses.For example, a few years ago I worked at on on-shore gas production site for a week or so. I stayed in a local hotel, ate in several of the town's restaurants, bought my sandwiches for lunch at local bakers/sandwich shops, filled my car up with petrol in the town and so on. And some of the people that worked on site did live locally, so they spend their money locally. So there's a knock on effect.
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