Who will be the new Labour leader?

[Munter]

killingjoker said:

Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh?

How about...use your free education, and increased job opportunities to earn your own money, rather than looking at other people for support?

Bloody leftys. It's all selfish "take, take, take, me, me, me", rather than thinking about how they can put into the country.

[basherX]

What perplexes me most is the staggering lack of self-awareness. At what point, do you think, is someone going to step back, reflect and say, "look, chaps, it's become abundantly clear that we're incapable of running a leadership election. Isn't it time we re-evaluate our pretensions for running the country?"

This is like an NUS election on steroids. It's totally insane.

[killingjoker]

Munter said:

killingjoker said:

Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh?

How about...use your free education, and increased job opportunities to earn your own money, rather than looking at other people for support?

Bloody leftys. It's all selfish "take, take, take, me, me, me", rather than thinking about how they can put into the country.
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Haha. I smell a sheep. Go back and read my edited response. Not that i really care what you think.

[dandarez]

Well, the poll at the beginning seems to be spot on.

A N Other will win!

[Digga]

basherX said:

This is like an NUS election on steroids. It's totally insane.

NUS, Socialist Workers Party, teacher's union, you name it - and these are the people who will likely vote for him. That and very naughty Tories.

[killingjoker]

Digga said:

killingjoker said:

I totally agree with you except for the tory government bit. Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh? All i see is vote tory or "tory lite". You didn't address the growing wealth divide i note. Funny that.

Long term, this will be avery difficult issue. In short, as we are inextricably part of a global economy, all jobs compete internationally.

Those with capital will, unless they are relieved through ineptitude, theft or taxation (some would say the difference between the last two is moot in certain instances) always prosper. This middle and working classes can only really continue to enjoy western levels (i.e. what people expect today) of lifestyle and welfare if we find a way to maintain their productivity. To do this you need capital - a safe, stable haven for businesses and business people (domestic and global) to invest in. Having loonies in government is not conducive.

Furthermore, there has not been a single conclusive, quantitative argument that says the left are any more or less prone to reducing the wealth divide.

Yes agreed. But there really is nobody for me or countless thousands of people to vote for.

[Digga]

killingjoker said:

Yes agreed. But there really is nobody for me or countless thousands of people to vote for.

ISWYM. We have a horrible problem; there is no viable, credible opposition. Only the most anti-democratic or myopically Tory could thing this is a good thing.

[anonymous-user]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/cats-always-ne...

[Munter]

killingjoker said:

Munter said:

killingjoker said:

Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh?

How about...use your free education, and increased job opportunities to earn your own money, rather than looking at other people for support?

Bloody leftys. It's all selfish "take, take, take, me, me, me", rather than thinking about how they can put into the country.

Haha. I smell a sheep. Go back and read my edited response. Not that i really care what you think.

You're not in charge of running a Labour party leader election by any chance...?

[JagLover]

Digga said:

Long term, this will be avery difficult issue. In short, as we are inextricably part of a global economy, all jobs compete internationally.

Partly a myth

Wages have been depressed by the influx of millions of migrants. Most of the sectors where migrants work are not in the tradable goods sector so wages there have not been depressed by some nebulous force of "globalisation" but by a failure to control our borders.

The fact that it was a supposedly "left wing" government that was responsible is rather ironic.

[deadslow]

basherX said:

What perplexes me most is the staggering lack of self-awareness. At what point, do you think, is someone going to step back, reflect and say, "look, chaps, it's become abundantly clear that we're incapable of running a leadership election. Isn't it time we re-evaluate our pretensions for running the country?"

This is like an NUS election on steroids. It's totally insane.

so true

[basherX]

Digga said:

basherX said:

This is like an NUS election on steroids. It's totally insane.

NUS, Socialist Workers Party, teacher's union, you name it - and these are the people who will likely vote for him. That and very naughty Tories.

I, a life-long Tory, have just voted for Corbyn. The fact that they didn't anticipate such a thing demonstrates that they are as naive as they are unsuited for office.

[mybrainhurts]

Symbolica said:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/cats-always-ne...

That's nothing. They let my pet slug Dave vote...

[carinaman]

'Muck-A-Roo' free with the Daily Mail as advertised on the BBC comedy show The Now Show.

[Zod]

killingjoker said:

I totally agree with you except for the tory government bit. Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh? All i see is vote tory or "tory lite".

• Edited as it's friday and i am looking forward to a well earned weekend break (like lots of people).

Look at the successive low turn outs for previous elections. I reckon it's a pretty fair chance that a hell of a lot of us feel exactly what you have said at the start of your reply. But lets look at CDM (loaded, royal bloodline etc.), and that awful grey Mr Bean called Giddeon. The only reason they want UK PLC booming is to further line their own pockets. If we really all were in this together then the wealth would flow down but it doesn't.
Think about this, i would have never in my life considered voting Labour. But now if the likes of the champagne socialists like yvette cooper are booted out then i might just look at them as an alternative if there is somebody who seems to speak without a hidden agenda.
I don't think there is anyone from any of the parties really with peoples interests at heart. A vast majority of hard working folk are crying out for change. The way politics have been done and are being done needs to change. It's time for an alternative but i won't hold my breath for it to happen. Rather than profit for profit sake, everyone who wants to get out there and graft should feel the benefit. Just to say I am not a socialist, i am not a capitalist and i am not alligned to any political party. But things have to change. Then watch the voting figures rise.

Edited by killingjoker on Friday 21st August 16:24

you sound very much like a socialist.

[Stickyfinger]

Zod said:

killingjoker said:
I totally agree with you except for the tory government bit. Why would those born into money want the rest of us to have a share of it for hard work eh? All i see is vote tory or "tory lite".

ou sound very much like a socialist.

yeh yeh yeh.....standard stuff....if they didn't vote for us they are idiots or need educating.

I didn't, I'm not and I don't thanks

[BlackLabel]

Have the Labour party ever done anything "rigorously, robustly and fairly"?

I can't wait until September 12th.

6 months ago it looked like we were headed for a Labour-SNP government and Ed Miliband as PM. Now we have a Labour party in disarray and tearing themselves apart.

beeb said:

Labour officials are "rigorously, robustly and fairly" verifying that those applying to vote in its leadership contest do support the party, its interim leader says.

Harriet Harman said infiltrators were "not clever" but the party's safeguards would ensure the "result will stand".

BBC News understands 3,000 applications have been rejected. But there have been claims some are being blocked unfairly.

Andy Burnham earlier warned "several thousand" Tories might have registered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34023164

[eharding]

Symbolica said:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/cats-always-ne...

Dyed-in-the-fur Labour supporter if ever I saw one. You can see him there advocating the reinstatement of Claws 4.

[Stickyfinger]

Beeb said:

Labour officials are "rigorously, robustly and fairly" verifying that those applying to vote in its leadership contest do support the party, its interim leader says.

Yes, an insider photo from LabHQ

[Beati Dogu]

Have they got Sir John Chilcot doing this too?

So we can expect the result about 2 years after they've lost the next general election.