Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[chris watton]

Sticks. said:

I've no reason to think there was an intent to trick, it was an opinion, like yours or mine.

I can't say about national opinion, but as someone who's never voted any other way but Cons, I've been called a leftie. Though, to be fair, it is often used as a meaningless standard insult to ayone who disagrees with the mainstream NPE view. As has been said before, the views of a vociferous few aren't necessarily that of the majority (not a personal dig at anyone)

I know

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chris watton said:

"way to the right of national opinion"

Says who? Is PH really "way to the right of national opinion" - or is that the age-old trick of trying to perceive that one view is greater than another, by simply suggesting it with nothing much to back up that statement?

A great example of this is the constant pro-EU/Europe agenda on the BBC. Eurosceptics are painted as extremists. In actual fact according to a Guardian poll 49% of people want to pull out of the EU fully, and 40% want to stay in. The BBC is miles off representing national opinion.

[thinfourth2]

chris watton said:

So to say "PH is way to the right of national opinion" doesn't hold much water, does it?

Okay start a poll asking how people intend to vote and you will always get 75% plus saying tory party

In the real world way less the 75% voted for Cameron

[chris watton]

thinfourth2 said:

chris watton said:

So to say "PH is way to the right of national opinion" doesn't hold much water, does it?

Okay start a poll asking how people intend to vote and you will always get 75% plus saying tory party

In the real world way less the 75% voted for Cameron

And that constitutes an "EXTREME right wing" bias, does it?

[thinfourth2]

chris watton said:

thinfourth2 said:

chris watton said:

So to say "PH is way to the right of national opinion" doesn't hold much water, does it?

Okay start a poll asking how people intend to vote and you will always get 75% plus saying tory party

In the real world way less the 75% voted for Cameron

And that constitutes an "EXTREME right wing" bias, does it?

Well it certainly isn't neutral is it

but if you want to get off on my "extreme right wing" comment be my guest

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thinfourth2 said:

Well it certainly isn't neutral is it

but if you want to get off on my "extreme right wing" comment be my guest

Well you did say it, shall we disregard everything else you type as well? I'm just not sure.

[chris watton]

thinfourth2 said:

Well it certainly isn't neutral is it

but if you want to get off on my "extreme right wing" comment be my guest

P/H has quite high percentage of people who work in the private sector (I think – not 100% sure), so is less likely to have left of centre views (this is based on my own experience, as I know of no-one in the private sector who would vote Labour or Lib-Dem)

The way you worded your post was to assume that everyone in the private sector were by definition ‘Extreme right wingers’. I don’t know about you, but my definition of ‘Extreme right wingers’ are people like Hitler and anyone who hates non-indigenous races. Whether intention or not, this is often quoted by people with a left persuasion to demonise ‘ever-so-slightly-right-of-centre’ views. I can understand why, as it has more impact. (personally, I do not hold 'extreme right wing views as defined above, and I am sure very few on here do also)

Anyway, only an “extreme” leftie would consider Cameron and this latest Tory party as ‘Extreme right’

[turbobloke]

thinfourth2 said:

chris watton said:

thinfourth2 said:

chris watton said:

So to say "PH is way to the right of national opinion" doesn't hold much water, does it?

Okay start a poll asking how people intend to vote and you will always get 75% plus saying tory party

In the real world way less the 75% voted for Cameron

And that constitutes an "EXTREME right wing" bias, does it?

Well it certainly isn't neutral is it

but if you want to get off on my "extreme right wing" comment be my guest

This website has a significant number of people who know how many beans make five.

As a result, they can spot bias one way, without wishing it another way.

As another result, they see Liarbore as Liabilitybore. This isn't bias, it's even more basic than that. It's obvious.

[Globs]

chris watton said:

thinfourth2 said:

Well it certainly isn't neutral is it

but if you want to get off on my "extreme right wing" comment be my guest

P/H has quite high percentage of people who work in the private sector (I think – not 100% sure), so is less likely to have left of centre views (this is based on my own experience, as I know of no-one in the private sector who would vote Labour or Lib-Dem)

The way you worded your post was to assume that everyone in the private sector were by definition ‘Extreme right wingers’. I don’t know about you, but my definition of ‘Extreme right wingers’ are people like Hitler and anyone who hates non-indigenous races. Whether intention or not, this is often quoted by people with a left persuasion to demonise ‘ever-so-slightly-right-of-centre’ views. I can understand why, as it has more impact. (personally, I do not hold 'extreme right wing views as defined above, and I am sure very few on here do also)

Anyway, only an “extreme” leftie would consider Cameron and this latest Tory party as ‘Extreme right’

Indeed. In fact Hitler was a socialist and Nazism was his particular brand of National Socialism. In the EU we have the extension of that in International Socialism, and some of the inherent agressive racism was seen recently when Cameron decide for once in his life to do what was best to England.

Neutral is difficult to determine these days as most partys have a very left wing borrow and spend mentality, gravitating towards big government and state intervention into people's lives.

Most people tend to manage their own finances by spending less than they earn and minding their own business - an inherently 'right-wing' behaviour, so it could be said that neutral is actually independence and solvency, and most politics today is very left wing.

The (arrogant) socialist ethos is that they have rights our money and lives which we never granted them. The BBC then with their demand for out money through the licence fee tends to reinforce the typical socialist arrogance and selfishness that they spend our money and decide what's best for us.

[Sticks.]

Sticks. said:

The question was raised earlier asking if it's such a big issue, why hasn't the Gov't done something about it? In the climate created by the NoW etc it would be easy to push through under the banner of cleaning up the media. Anyone know?

No one?

[chris watton]

Sticks. said:

Sticks. said:

The question was raised earlier asking if it's such a big issue, why hasn't the Gov't done something about it? In the climate created by the NoW etc it would be easy to push through under the banner of cleaning up the media. Anyone know?

No one?

On the whole, I think that they are all as bad as one another - government and media seem too interlinked for anything substantial to change, IMOHO

[M3333]

Politics Show on now. Very clear the BBC would love nothing more than to see this coalition destroyed. This is not impartial or balanced reporting.

I am loving the presenter yet again foaming at the mouth and teetering on the edge of his seat.

All they do with anything coalition/tory is attack.

Very different is a Labour Lovie is on.

Also - i am another one that has joined UKIP. All i expect from the BBC is balanced factual middle ground reporting. Not questions like 'Now we are in this mess how are we going to get out of it?'

What Mess??

[DieselGriff]

Timing is everything and Andrew Montford has put together a good paper examining the bias in BBC reporting of AGW

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/12/11/...

IMO there is enough in that to force the trust to conduct a proper investigation into BBC bias on this subject (but I won't hold my breath).

Oh it's £0.75 unless you are a subscriber.

[Globs]

M3333 said:

Also - i am another one that has joined UKIP. All i expect from the BBC is balanced factual middle ground reporting. Not questions like 'Now we are in this mess how are we going to get out of it?'

What Mess??

The mess that the socialists created with the aid of their elite banker chums.
If any party has done less for the working man it's Labour, shame the BBC is full of middle class luvvies on the gravy train.

[carmonk]

Just seen some middle-aged munter in a pink jacket interview some ex-libdem MP and she was basically making his point for him, siding with him and sounding outraged that Cameron walked out of negotiations and asking what on earth can be done now? I don't want to hear your opinions, idiot woman, just do your fking job or fk off.

[Apache]

DieselGriff said:

Timing is everything and Andrew Montford has put together a good paper examining the bias in BBC reporting of AGW

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/12/11/...

IMO there is enough in that to force the trust to conduct a proper investigation into BBC bias on this subject (but I won't hold my breath).

Oh it's £0.75 unless you are a subscriber.

Blimey......although, like you, I won't be holding my breath

[grumbledoak]

With the odds of a proper investigation being nil, the 'something that has to be done' is to watch Russia Today. Not something I though I'd be saying as I grew up.

[M3333]

Globs said:

The mess that the socialists created with the aid of their elite banker chums.
If any party has done less for the working man it's Labour, shame the BBC is full of middle class luvvies on the gravy train.

The thing is the Presenter laid into Eric Pickles over increased Council Tax charges - fine it is a good subject i was interested in his hearing his reply. But, forgive me if i am wrong here, did not Council Tax double under Labour? The increased Charges forced under Labour to my knowledge mainly pay for Public Sector Pensions and not on direct services as a direct result of Gordon Browns catastrophic management of our economy? This has never ever been put to a Labour Lovie on the BBC but they go straight for Eric Pickles jugular over it.

How anyone cannot see blatant bias is beyond me, how come Labour have never been properly held to account of the way they managed the Economy?

[SalesManager]

Oakeshott is being wheeled on every 5 seconds to present his one sided lefty spin. Thanks BBC.

We need a concerted effort via the government petition site.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/265

Edited by SalesManager on Sunday 11th December 14:35

[donna180]

SalesManager said:

Oakeshott is being wheeled on every 5 seconds to present his one sided lefty spin. Thanks BBC.

We need a concerted effort via the government petition site.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/265

Edited by SalesManager on Sunday 11th December 14:35

Excellent idea.