The truth about immigration

[hollydog]

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

[Mermaid]

The genie is out guys - the number of "foreign" & their influence is only going one way.

[einsign]

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

And so we get poorer and poorer until everyone on the planet is equal, great stuff.

[Foppo]

einsign said:

And so we get poorer and poorer until everyone on the planet is equal, great stuff.

We don't have to starve in this country not yet I hope.Agree we have plenty of people living in poverty who can't afford their heating bill and sit in the cold.

Heating bills cost of food is down to our government who aren't willing to attack the companies charging these prices.Hence the foodbanks and energy debt.

I think we are sidetracked blaming all our problems on immigrants which is false.

Also some people have never learned how to cook a simple meal and without a can opener they are lost which is a shame.

[porridge]

Foppo said:

einsign said:

And so we get poorer and poorer until everyone on the planet is equal, great stuff.

We don't have to starve in this country not yet I hope.Agree we have plenty of people living in poverty who can't afford their heating bill and sit in the cold.

Heating bills cost of food is down to our government who aren't willing to attack the companies charging these prices.Hence the foodbanks and energy debt.

I think we are sidetracked blaming all our problems on immigrants which is false.

Also some people have never learned how to cook a simple meal and without a can opener they are lost which is a shame.

We are in debt and have a limited amount to spend.

It's not blaming immigration, it is blaming the type of immigration.

As an example- why allow in non-English speakers form the EU and spend millions on foreign translaters/teachers assistants and the rest, when the pool of willing immigrants is large enough for us to be far more selective?

We are currently in the crazy situation where we are turning away more suitable non-EU people because the politicans are desperate to hit a numerical target.

[Mandat]

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

Excuse my ignorance, but why is it bad that some of the money gets sent abroad?

I presume that the GBP gets converted to the local currency at a bank or currency exchange, then the money returns to the UK in some way or other when someone buys the GBP when they travel to the UK, or via businesses from that country who trade with the UK.

Am I being too simplistic?

[pcvdriver]

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

You obviously didn't read my link where it clearly states we will reach critical mass in 50 years time, where thenumber of the populace of working age will not be enough to support those who have retired. Have a read. You may wish to change your xenophobic views afterwards. We can't breed quickly enough over the next two generations to support ourselves. What is your solution? Mandatory euthanasia for the over 70's? How very Adolf of you......

[pcvdriver]

einsign said:

And so we get poorer and poorer until everyone on the planet is equal, great stuff.

Or globally we share the wealth, so then the average worker gets richer and we can put the immigration issue to bed once and for all. It will take about 50 years of global policy integration - failure to address the situation is simply not an option we can afford.

[andymadmak]

pcvdriver said:

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

You obviously didn't read my link where it clearly states we will reach critical mass in 50 years time, where thenumber of the populace of working age will not be enough to support those who have retired. Have a read. You may wish to change your xenophobic views afterwards. We can't breed quickly enough over the next two generations to support ourselves. What is your solution? Mandatory euthanasia for the over 70's? How very Adolf of you......

Really, do you have to be so rude and aggressive all the time? It adds nothing to the debate, and indeed detracts for your own points. Can you not get through the day without swearing, calling people names and making up silly, extreme interpretations of other peoples posts?

[4v6]

pcvdriver said:

4v6 said:

Whys it being argued that far from needing less immigration we need more..... needing them for what I ask?
To dilute british identity like a homeopathic remedy perhaps?

I used to think you had some intellingence....but with that last remark- any credibility went out of the window. We in Britain over the last 2000 or so years have a populace made up from inhabitants from all over Europe, from the Romans onwards. Or do yoou think we are an Aryan super race once favoured by a certain Austrian chap?

No answers to the previous question then just a paltry insult and a clumsy attempt to brand me a racist, tut tut, par for the course when immigration is discussed, I forgive you this time.

Lets try it another way.
If unlimited immigration from say china was allowed and they came here in unlimited amounts, what effect would that have do you think, on the way britain would be in 20 years or so?
Would the country be britain or something else?
If you keep shoving people into the country in your desired amounts then the demographic changes does it not? Which was precisely what the last ratpack of laboursh*tes did.
So british as a nationality would be more chinese than english/welsh/scots/italian/french/german etc, british wouldnt be british anymore, itd be predominantly chinese no?
Whys that such a good thing?
It seems youre intent on altering the ethnic makeup, altering the percentages of races here, turning the english, welsh and scots into minorities and marginalising them, why? Whats in it for you?
Unless you just hate the british in which case why are you here?.... oh btw my roots run back as far as the normans afaik so I'm part frenchy and god know what else. Zut alors!

[porridge]

pcvdriver said:

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

You obviously didn't read my link where it clearly states we will reach critical mass in 50 years time, where thenumber of the populace of working age will not be enough to support those who have retired. Have a read. You may wish to change your xenophobic views afterwards. We can't breed quickly enough over the next two generations to support ourselves. What is your solution? Mandatory euthanasia for the over 70's? How very Adolf of you......

This has been stated by other many times, and been addressed by people with more common sense than you. Allow me to do so again...If you bring in more people, they will also get old. So then you will need more to support them, who will also get old and so the cycle continues. See?

If you bring in uncontrolled immigration, those on mimimum wage contributer VERY LITTLE as the tax/NI is minimal. It actually costs more in in-work benefits/education for their kids than they pay in. They are a net fiscal drain.

It is naive to allow open borders- you need to calculate how many unskilled you need and allow only that number and ensure a minimum standard english language etc. For any seasonal work you also need to put in place time limited permits, and a points system for the highly skilled.

Bringing up Hitler to make a stupid point is very immature of you.

[Funkycoldribena]

pcvdriver said:

hollydog said:

I'm sorry its not brain surgery. How can it possibly be good for an country when this is happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5417432/Imm...

You obviously didn't read my link where it clearly states we will reach critical mass in 50 years time, where thenumber of the populace of working age will not be enough to support those who have retired. Have a read. You may wish to change your xenophobic views afterwards. We can't breed quickly enough over the next two generations to support ourselves. What is your solution? Mandatory euthanasia for the over 70's? How very Adolf of you......

But surely we'll have to bring in more immigrants in 50 years time to support those immigrants that we're bringing in now because they'll be retired.

[pcvdriver]

andymadmak said:

Really, do you have to be so rude and aggressive all the time? It adds nothing to the debate, and indeed detracts for your own points. Can you not get through the day without swearing, calling people names and making up silly, extreme interpretations of other peoples posts?

I'm not the one with extremist views ......it's Kippers who hold the extremist views close to their hearts. I'm one for world integration.

[einsign]

pcvdriver said:

einsign said:

And so we get poorer and poorer until everyone on the planet is equal, great stuff.

Or globally we share the wealth, so then the average worker gets richer and we can put the immigration issue to bed once and for all. It will take about 50 years of global policy integration - failure to address the situation is simply not an option we can afford.

Wow, you are an extremist of the worst kind.

[pcvdriver]

Funkycoldribena said:

But surely we'll have to bring in more immigrants in 50 years time to support those immigrants that we're bringing in now because they'll be retired.

Transient migrant workers tend to only stay for short periofs of time and the process is cyclical.....always new blood arriving. They work, pay taxes, go home/elsewhere. And so the process repeats itself.

[einsign]

pcvdriver said:

I'm not the one with extremist views .....

Yes you are and too brainwashed to see it. I dont care what you do in your own little world but how dare you dictate to me who should be allowed to live in my house!

[porridge]

pcvdriver said:

I'm one for world integration.

And how would this world integration work exactly?

[4v6]

pcvdriver said:

I'm not the one with extremist views ......it's Kippers who hold the extremist views close to their hearts. I'm one for world integration.

At whos cost? Are YOU going to pay for all this idealistic nonsense?
Or will you do what all left wing butter fingers do when faced with a financial problem which is to borrow some more to pay for it and let someone else work it off for you?

Youre making no sense if you think that total unlimted immigration and world integration isnt extremist- its as bad as apartheid but in reverse and you take no account of those nations that wish to retain their cultural and ethnic identities!

[Funkycoldribena]

porridge said:

pcvdriver said:

I'm one for world integration.

And how would this world integration work exactly?

It wouldnt.I think he's been watching too many Miss World competitions...

[porridge]

pcvdriver said:

Funkycoldribena said:

But surely we'll have to bring in more immigrants in 50 years time to support those immigrants that we're bringing in now because they'll be retired.

Transient migrant workers tend to only stay for short periofs of time and the process is cyclical.....always new blood arriving. They work, pay taxes, go home/elsewhere. And so the process repeats itself.

What is the percentage of workers leaving/settling? an actual fact from you would be good.