US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[CJP80]

Smiler. said:

It can't be discussed because anyone who questions the root of the problem is immediately branded racist, islamaphobic, bigot, UKIP etc.

The UK has seen an large & constant influx of people from places where a 3rd world, medieval attitude pervades. Many have the aspiration to trade up to a better, more civilised way of living. Others are perfectly happy to simply transplant their original mindset wholesale from their place of origin. Successive generations have carried some or all of the undesirable traits with them.

Meanwhile, the decent indigenous population are too busy earning a living, bringing up their kids & generally trying to do the right thing to make waves - this is left to the lefties & their counterpart in the hard of thinking department.

Suddenly, here we are.

I don't really have any answers to this ever growing problem, but being able to voice my concerns without the typical bile from the left would be an unusual start.

Never. Going. To. Happen.

Last time I checked Islam was not a race, yet it's treated as such and too many people are frightened to speak out against ideological concepts that most rationale minds would consider abhorrent - mostly due to fear of being labelled a ‘racist’ or an ‘islamophobe’. Two people (admittedly idiots) were sentenced to a year in prison for a racial aggravated hate crime for throwing bacon at a mosque earlier this year. That is madness. Is it insulting? Yes. Does it warrant a response? Yes. Does it deserve a year in prison? Not in my mind, and especially not in the UK. It’s PC in the extreme.

As for UK derived extremists travelling off to fight for “their people”. Trouble with this country is that our policy makers are so far removed from the reality of a Britain that can produce such filth, that we are not only allowing it, but encouraging it. There’s little assimilation into the ‘British’ way of life amongst some minorities, because their faith system is largely incompatible with ‘Britishness’ - so feelings of isolation and alienation must be bad enough that these young men are willing to sacrifice their lives for a faith based cause. I doubt many are off altruistically fighting for the people of Iraq or Syria. More likely they are disaffected youth, with little to no reason to remain in the UK. Now, some Muslims on here may say that Islam is not the reason for their actions, but a belief that what they are doing is right in the eyes of their god, and will lead them to paradise, is definitely a big factor in the minds of these young men.

[audidoody]

StottyEvo said:

Its an extremely sharp knife, I've seen similar if not the same used for removing hands etc... Very quick and clean.

Phew. For a moment there I thought the butchering vermin were inflicting excessively cruel barbarity.

[audidoody]

StottyEvo said:

Its an extremely sharp knife, I've seen similar if not the same used for removing hands etc... Very quick and clean.

Phew. For a moment there I thought the butchering vermin were inflicting excessively cruel barbarity.

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

Murph7355 said:

Previously I'd have totally agreed with you. But reading some of what ISIS are doing got me thinking about the various African groups that have done and no doubt are still doing similar.

Why do we not expect the same uproar from those of African decent or perhaps similar religious backgrounds? I guess if those groups had the wherewithal to commit terrorist atrocities on our home soil we might?

I also wonder (rhetorically) why our govts pay less attention to that part of the world too.

(The chap who did the execution, btw, should be found and left on the battlefield of his crusade permanently).

Well the Americans could do it if he was ever captured, I understand their laws allow for extradition for the Murder of an American citizen abroad and hopefully they would use the Death Penalty on him.

Leave him in prison for life, working the pig farm and under the supervision of a woman.

[anonymous-user]

As sad as the event is do these people really think this will change US policy?

I only see attitudes hardening which can only increase American efforts to damage these people.

[avinalarf]

audidoody said:

StottyEvo said:

Its an extremely sharp knife, I've seen similar if not the same used for removing hands etc... Very quick and clean.

Phew. For a moment there I thought the butchering vermin were inflicting excessively cruel barbarity.

Oh,that's alright then,sharp knife.
Put my mind at rest.

[NDA]

Jimbeaux said:

Leave him in prison for life, working the pig farm and under the supervision of a woman.

I'd feed him to the fking pigs.

[THX]

Needless to say, the crime here is horrific. But this;

"The Metropolitan Police has warned that "viewing, downloading or disseminating" the video might be an offence under terrorism laws."

Surely not?

Not that I want to see it. But how far does 'terrorism' law stretch?!

[technogogo]

The BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner, says this isn't about religion. I really don't get how people can think that makes any sense at all?

There can be no doubt that IS use Islamic scripture as their source material. Yes they pick the bits that justify their actions and aims. Just like moderates choose to emphasise the pleasant bits and overlook the nasty stuff. As it is with any religion. But the people drawn in to Islamic extremism are frequently said by surprised family and friends to be very devout.

How can we address this if we ignore the obvious. If people like Frank, in the position he is in, spread such self evident nonsense?

[J4CKO]

Always the same with that lot, kill, kill, kill, death to the infidels or if no infidels around, death to those who worship in a slightly different manner, Death to those who disrespect or insult, I have more chance of a reasoned response to criticism from my wife.

Can the west just keep the fk away from their patch and try not to piss them off ? it is dry, hot and dusty, they arent allowed a wk, a shag, a bacon butty or a pint, no wonder they are so grumpy, especially with us treating goading them into a reaction like a new extreme sport.

Dont worry about them, they will kill each other in horrible ways whatever we do, we cant save them and if we piss them off they take it out on whoever they can lay their hands on.

Funny how we are supposedly so racist, but realistically there are so many races and religions in this country that nobody bats an eyelid about, the friction only seems to come from one direction, and it isn't all, a lot of their own despair of how their "brothers" behave, I have seen a man from "that lot" welling up when talking about Lee Rigby, they arent all the same, like we arent.

[technogogo]

THX said:

Needless to say, the crime here is horrific. But this;

"The Metropolitan Police has warned that "viewing, downloading or disseminating" the video might be an offence under terrorism laws."

Surely not?

Not that I want to see it. But how far does 'terrorism' law stretch?!

Yeah feels a bit 1984 doesn't it? I don't want to see it either. Some aggregator websites I use (eg reddit) don't have it, which surprises me a bit but I am so glad. I couldn't bear to even listen to the news when driving into work this morning!

[technogogo]

They'll leave us alone if we leave them alone? That is the most naive thing I have read for a long time. They are here and they want this country. They will bring the fight to us. They have done so numerous times. To a large extent we have been lucky since 7/7. Long may our luck hold. Long may the unseen heroes in our security service protect us.
But to think they will play quietly in some far distant land. I mean really? Seriously?

As homework search "anjam choudary what makes you think this is your country"

Edit: to clarify that "They" means extremists and only extremists.

Edited by technogogo on Wednesday 20th August 22:44

[dudleybloke]

We need to offer them an incentive scheme.

Keep fking about doing nasty st in the name of your God and we will nuke your cube.

I'm sure if their God exists he wont let a thermonuclear device airburst above his most precious site.

Lets call it a test of their faith.

Or the ultimate debate on science and religion.

Edited by dudleybloke on Wednesday 20th August 23:12

[hman]

sand in their vaginas, thats all

[CJP80]

technogogo said:

The BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner, says this isn't about religion.

Again this is a typical British response - ignore the facts about extremism and its root causes.

IMO, everyone should see the video. It will give you some insight into what people are capable of in the name of faith. The chap that carried out the beheading may have passed you and your children in the street for all you know. How do you feel about that? This was someone brought up and educated in the UK from what we understand.

As a country we have gone soft and seem to be more concerned with protecting peoples' beliefs, whether the majority agree with them or not. I don't need to respect a belief if I believe its basis to be ridiculous, and if that belief fills someone with the view that sawing an innocents man's head off with a knife is a just way to punish western culture and policy, then they've no place in the country I grew up in. Not even in our prisons.

On a related point, it's acceptable to satirise Mormonism and make money from it, belittle Christianity and openly ridicule Krishna's in the street, but we imprison British nationals who throw bacon at Mosques.

[s1962a]

dudleybloke said:

We need to offer them an incentive scheme.

Keep fking about doing nasty st in the name of your God and we will nuke your cube.

I'm sure if their God exists he wont let a thermonuclear device airburst above his most precious site.

Lets call it a test of their faith.

Unlikely. What is more likely to happen is that we'll do more arms deals, get them over here to spend their money as tourists, drive flashy cars around the block, and supress any investigations into bribery allegations.

[s1962a]

CJP80 said:

technogogo said:

The BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner, says this isn't about religion.

Again this is a typical British response - ignore the facts about extremism and its root causes.

IMO, everyone should see the video. It will give you some insight into what people are capable of in the name of faith. The chap that carried out the beheading may have passed you and your children in the street for all you know. How do you feel about that? This was someone brought up and educated in the UK from what we understand.

As a country we have gone soft and seem to be more concerned with protecting peoples' beliefs, whether the majority agree with them or not. I don't need to respect a belief if I believe its basis to be ridiculous, and if that belief fills someone with the view that sawing an innocents man's head off with a knife is a just way to punish western culture and policy, then they've no place in the country I grew up in. Not even in our prisons.

On a related point, it's acceptable to satirise Mormonism and make money from it, belittle Christianity and openly ridicule Krishna's in the street, but we imprison British nationals who throw bacon at Mosques.

anti semitism is also a crime, so you can't easily restrict certain beliefs without affecting others.

Islamic extremism of the type IS follow (Saudi inflenced salafi) is not what is practiced by mainstream muslims. They abhor these animals as much as anyone else.

[redtwin]

Mojocvh said:

On balance, YES!

NO!, the man was an embarrassment.

[CJP80]

s1962a said:

anti semitism is also a crime, so you can't easily restrict certain beliefs without affecting others.

Islamic extremism of the type IS follow (Saudi inflenced salafi) is not what is practiced by mainstream muslims. They abhor these animals as much as anyone else.

Quite. The point is though that faith based belief, in whatever form, denomination or sect, if capable of allowing someone to internally justify murder - is dangerous. It takes a pretty strong motivation to cut someone's head off. You don't even see that level of barbarism at times of war. This man was not an enemy or a combatant. So how does an IS member rationalise such an act? An extreme justification indeed. And not one made by a rational mind.

Edited by CJP80 on Wednesday 20th August 23:37

[rich85uk]

THX said:

Needless to say, the crime here is horrific. But this;

"The Metropolitan Police has warned that "viewing, downloading or disseminating" the video might be an offence under terrorism laws."

Surely not?

Not that I want to see it. But how far does 'terrorism' law stretch?!

It's pretty strict but probably the right thing to do, a small percentage who watch it will have extremist views and ultimately it's videos like this that will radicalise them.

Look at how strict the law became during the riots, people were actually being sent to prison for just trying to stir things up and create a riot in their own town via Facebook, pretty harsh as no riot happened in that case but things were getting out of control and it worked