CIA lied over brutal interrogations

[BooHoo]

el stovey said:

wrapped up in a belief system.

Countdown is.

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heppers75 said:

F**k me... honestly and seriously you religious zealots are so wrapped up in your beliefs system that you won't acknowledge the radical amongst you...

Just f**king wow.. you are moronic to the enths of extremity...

Anything we can do not to say a "brother" did something bad... It HAS to be someone elses fault...

So pathetic it is laughable and indeed makes me weep in equal measure!

Actually no, you're right. It's our way of life. Osama had a real issue with people having jobs, earning money, buying fast cars. The one thing Arabs/Muslims hate is people with money, fast cars, etc etc. you'll never see an Arab getting aspiring to western lifestyles.

You're not alone in your weeping.

[heppers75]

Countdown said:

heppers75 said:

F**k me... honestly and seriously you religious zealots are so wrapped up in your beliefs system that you won't acknowledge the radical amongst you...

Just f**king wow.. you are moronic to the enths of extremity...

Anything we can do not to say a "brother" did something bad... It HAS to be someone elses fault...

So pathetic it is laughable and indeed makes me weep in equal measure!

Actually no, you're right. It's our way of life. Osama had a real issue with people having jobs, earning money, buying fast cars. The one thing Arabs/Muslims hate is people with money, fast cars, etc etc. you'll never see an Arab getting aspiring to western lifestyles.

You're not alone in your weeping.

Go on then sarcasm king...

What do you think Osama wanted?

Also do you support his views, your reply here sarcasm aside is a tad unclear and could easily be construed as support.

[pork911]

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

And still you have not managed to explain yourself

Simple to quote I guess.

and you think 'idiot' was an insult?

I haven't lowered myself to your level with personal insults because I'm not a thicko.....

Edited to add you've still not managed to explain yourself, not sure if you can?

Please do..........if you can?

Edited by HoHoHo on Tuesday 9th December 22:22

the problem isn't my ability to explain it's your inability to understand

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BooHoo said:

ISIS are poor oppressed followers of the most peaceful religion on earth and they have been goaded into committing acts of depraved violence by the CIA.

No. I think they're a bunch of depraved butters carrying out some fairly depraved acts.

I'm a tad worried (but not really surprised) that some on here think that it's acceptable for our security services to torture people illegally.

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

And still you have not managed to explain yourself

Simple to quote I guess.

and you think 'idiot' was an insult?

I haven't lowered myself to your level with personal insults because I'm not a thicko.....

Edited to add you've still not managed to explain yourself, not sure if you can?

Please do..........if you can?

Edited by HoHoHo on Tuesday 9th December 22:22

the problem isn't my ability to explain it's your inability to understand

Well we clearly have to agree to disagree because I have no idea what you're on about!

[jshell]

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

No, I'm not. I would ban all religion.

If my writing has made you think I'm in any way sympathetic to any act of terrorism, or that I don't utterly deplore the attacks on the twin towers, London tube or any other fundamentalist attack, then your emotion has made you very short sighted indeed.

What I'm saying is that with cold eyes we need to understand why people do the things they do. Simple concept, lost on many on this thread. One that if missed, leads us to make the same mistakes in future. I've given historically recorded reasons why some of the murderers have rationalised to themselves what they have done.

Your shoot from the hip, blind, hysterical views display the mindset that handed these fkers the justification that they needed, only on a grander scale. Every country we have meddled in from Iraq to libya to Afganistan to Syria has become a fking vipers nest becasue we've either toppled or tried to topple the very hard-line regimes that could keep a bunch of nutters in some semblence of peace. Nutters that WE forced together by difining nations on geography/minerals rather than social/religious/national factors.

[heppers75]

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

No, I'm not. I would ban all religion.

If my writing has made you think I'm in any way sympathetic to any act of terrorism, or that I don't utterly deplore the attacks on the twin towers, London tube or any other fundamentalist attack, then your emotion has made you very short sighted indeed.

What I'm saying is that with cold eyes we need to understand why people do the things they do. Simple concept, lost on many on this thread. One that if missed, leads us to make the same mistakes in future. I've given historically recorded reasons why some of the murderers have rationalised to themselves what they have done.

Your shoot from the hip, blind, hysterical views display the mindset that handed these fkers the justification that they needed, only on a grander scale. Every country we have meddled in from Iraq to libya to Afganistan to Syria has become a fking vipers nest becasue we've either toppled or tried to topple the very hard-line regimes that could keep a bunch of nutters in some semblence of peace. Nutters that WE forced together by difining nations on geography/minerals rather than social/religious/national factors.

If you think that these people do what they do for any and I mean ANY other reason that their sky fairy, you are willfully ill informed and woefully wishing it was something else!

Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 10th December 00:14

[pork911]

HoHoHo said:

Well we clearly have to agree to disagree because I have no idea what you're on about!

clearly you have no idea


let's see if we can start to work on a finger painting for you -

rendition is most commonly associated with who?

[anonymous-user]

You can tell who the people are who've not even bothered to glance at the summary and are posting the first reactionary thing that has come into their heads.

The techniques were practically useless at providing useful intelligence and often provided false intelligence. It's on the second page...

[WEHGuy]

HD Adam said:

WEHGuy said:

No it wasn't, The US are just the nice big protector of the world's good guy's democracy against them evil bullies.

Go on then, I'll bite.

Where would you rather live?

USA / UK?

or

Russia / China / North Korea / Middle East / Africa etc.

Do we need a poll (or parrot)?

The UK unless I managed to have power in any of the other countries. ;-)

I have two issues,

The way the US preaches democracy around the world but, only if they democratically elect an pro US candidate, otherwise a pro US dictator is fine.

Hypocrites, I hate hypocrites. The way everyone acts like Arsen Wenger by trying to justify wrong doing by their side but, screaming at any slight their opponents do. Can we not just see through all the spin and bias and say, all torture by any side is wrong and leads down a very dangerous path?

[anonymous-user]

heppers75 said:

If you think that these people do what they do for any and I mean ANY other reason that their sky fairy, you are willfully ill informed and woefully wishing it was something else!

Why are you insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you?

Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 10th December 00:15

[jshell]

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

No, I'm not. I would ban all religion.

If my writing has made you think I'm in any way sympathetic to any act of terrorism, or that I don't utterly deplore the attacks on the twin towers, London tube or any other fundamentalist attack, then your emotion has made you very short sighted indeed.

What I'm saying is that with cold eyes we need to understand why people do the things they do. Simple concept, lost on many on this thread. One that if missed, leads us to make the same mistakes in future. I've given historically recorded reasons why some of the murderers have rationalised to themselves what they have done.

Your shoot from the hip, blind, hysterical views display the mindset that handed these fkers the justification that they needed, only on a grander scale. Every country we have meddled in from Iraq to libya to Afganistan to Syria has become a fking vipers nest becasue we've either toppled or tried to topple the very hard-line regimes that could keep a bunch of nutters in some semblence of peace. Nutters that WE forced together by difining nations on geography/minerals rather than social/religious/national factors.

If you think that these people do what they do for any and I mean ANY other reason that their sky fairy, you are willfully ill informed and woefully wishing it was something else!

You've done nothing but make hysterical, unsupported assumptions and thrown insults around. As somone said to me years ago: you can't educate pork.

I've explained and referenced reasoning and sources. Ah, of course, I'm the idiot.

You're in charge of US foreign policy, aren't you? Or at least a 'Prepper'!

Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 10th December 00:16

[heppers75]

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

Sure, whatever you say. But, if you don't try to undestand your enemies, then you'll never beat them. Thinking that their religious beliefs were the simplistic and all-encompassing motivation for the attacks displays the wilful lack of rational thinking that leads to the US and others blundering around the world and stirring up hornets nests. European nations also carry a burden in this issue due to the arbitrary lines they drew through the middle East when it was divided up post-war. Showing no clue about local tribal/ethnic/religious divides has led to many of the endless battles that have ensued since then.

I'm sorry you cannot see that, but carry on with your head firmly buried in the sand.

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

No, I'm not. I would ban all religion.

If my writing has made you think I'm in any way sympathetic to any act of terrorism, or that I don't utterly deplore the attacks on the twin towers, London tube or any other fundamentalist attack, then your emotion has made you very short sighted indeed.

What I'm saying is that with cold eyes we need to understand why people do the things they do. Simple concept, lost on many on this thread. One that if missed, leads us to make the same mistakes in future. I've given historically recorded reasons why some of the murderers have rationalised to themselves what they have done.

Your shoot from the hip, blind, hysterical views display the mindset that handed these fkers the justification that they needed, only on a grander scale. Every country we have meddled in from Iraq to libya to Afganistan to Syria has become a fking vipers nest becasue we've either toppled or tried to topple the very hard-line regimes that could keep a bunch of nutters in some semblence of peace. Nutters that WE forced together by difining nations on geography/minerals rather than social/religious/national factors.

If you think that these people do what they do for any and I mean ANY other reason that their sky fairy, you are willfully ill informed and woefully wishing it was something else!

You've done nothing but make hysterical, unsupported assumptions and thrown insults around. As somone said to me years ago: you can't educate pork.

I've explained and referenced reasoning and sources. Ah, of course, I'm the idiot.

You're in charge of US foreign policy, aren't you? Or at least a 'Prepper'!

Please explain to me where my assumptions are hysterical?

Also where are your sources?

Edited by Gaz. on Wednesday 10th December 00:17

[KareemK]

They were fed pureed hummus, pasta with sauce and raisins through their anus or 'rectal fed'!!!

Is this 1940's Germany?

[HoHoHo]

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

Well we clearly have to agree to disagree because I have no idea what you're on about!

clearly you have no idea


let's see if we can start to work on a finger painting for you -

rendition is most commonly associated with who?

Finger painting......

Amazing.

For the last two hours I have been asking you to explain your comments.

It appears you can't.

But you're quite handy with apparent quick wit.

Edited by HoHoHo on Tuesday 9th December 22:52

Further editing

So something I was totally unfamiliar with has now been brought to my attention by some web browsing.

You could have educated and enlightened but you decided to try and be clever.

Ah well.

Edited by HoHoHo on Tuesday 9th December 23:05

[jshell]

heppers75 said:

Please explain to me where my assumptions are hysterical?

Also where are your sources?

Your posts have all been hysterical and insulting, it doen't make you look good. I know, I know, you don't care coz, uh, Americuh!

The links I gave above on the Iran-Contra affair and the timeline on Bin Laden are worth a read. It's not blind anti-US sentiment, but the US with it's allies have made a right royal mess all round the globe.

[eddharris]

heppers75 said:

One question...

Are you a follower of Islam?

I'm not a follower but can clearly see that you and the Steven Seagal wannabe on this site are both daft s.

I spent a whole heap of time working in the middle east pre and post 9/11 but didn't get my head chopped off for liking big fking macs or having a small English flag on my car.

Prick

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heppers75 said:

Go on then sarcasm king...

What do you think Osama wanted?

Also do you support his views, your reply here sarcasm aside is a tad unclear and could easily be construed as support.

Yes. I support Osama totally and unconditionally. Now, where dem 72 virgins at?

With regards to what Osama wanted....have a read of the links below.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theob...

With regards to the US and how it behaves....the isn't a uniquely Muslim issue. The US is happy to overthrow democracies and support dictatorships regardless of race, colour, or religion where it is in its interests to do so Whether this be the Middle East, Vietnam, Central and Southern America, or North Africa.

The problem is that the "other side" gets p155ed off and will try to strike back. When they do, it's not really because its our "way of life" they despise. It's because they tend to have a specific grievance, justified or otherwise. "Way of life" is a handy catch all excuse for people like Jimbeaux and the Texan Chimp to throw around people off yhe scent instead of having them ask pertinent questions.

[anonymous-user]

heppers75 said:

Please explain to me where my assumptions are hysterical?

Your assumptions are hysterical because you ask someone if they are islamic, call someone else a religious zealot and suggest others support Bin Laden simply because they don't agree with your world view.

People have bothered to calmly explain their views to you and you swear and childishly and insult anyone that disagrees with you. You've even had your comments moderated because you reacted hysterically to what you thought I was saying without giving it any thought whatsoever.