Pakistan school Attack
Discussion
Lost soul said:
more proof that Pakistan is becoming a s
t stain on humanity
way to go mate, that really ft stain on humanity king helps doesn't it, have you overlooked the fact that these kids were Pakistani? their Indian neighbours are offering support and allegiance for these poor people so I don't know why you feel more aggrieved than them. This has fk all to do with race or religion, it's a bunch of depraved sick bds who need culling as soon as possible2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
more proof that Pakistan is becoming a st stain on humanity
way to go mate, that really ft stain on humanity king helps doesn't it, have you overlooked the fact that these kids were Pakistani? their Indian neighbours are offering support and allegiance for these poor people so I don't know why you feel more aggrieved than them. This has fk all to do with race or religion, it's a bunch of depraved sick bds who need culling as soon as possiblewind your neck in
griffin dai said:
US & UKSF were doing a good job wiping them out one at a time until we got all soft.
It was the Pakistani Army's decision to give the Pak Taliban a proper kicking (at the behest of the US and UK) that caused this attack. This problem is, to all intents and purposes, insoluble.And although I don't want to get dragged into meaningless debates about moral relativism, I can pretty much guarantee that more than 132 children have been killed in drone attacks launched by US (and potentially UK) forces or government agencies over the past few years.
Lost soul said:
2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
more proof that Pakistan is becoming a st stain on humanity
way to go mate, that really ft stain on humanity king helps doesn't it, have you overlooked the fact that these kids were Pakistani? their Indian neighbours are offering support and allegiance for these poor people so I don't know why you feel more aggrieved than them. This has fk all to do with race or religion, it's a bunch of depraved sick bds who need culling as soon as possiblewind your neck in
t stain on humanity? my apologies, I clearly misunderstood you sentiment2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
more proof that Pakistan is becoming a st stain on humanity
way to go mate, that really ft stain on humanity king helps doesn't it, have you overlooked the fact that these kids were Pakistani? their Indian neighbours are offering support and allegiance for these poor people so I don't know why you feel more aggrieved than them. This has fk all to do with race or religion, it's a bunch of depraved sick bds who need culling as soon as possiblewind your neck in
t stain on humanity? my apologies, I clearly misunderstood you sentimentoff you go
Lost soul said:
err no Pakistan is a country not a race , you are clearly of the hard of thinking
off you go
You complete prick.off you go
But just to clarify, leaving aside whether it is a race or not, you are including all the bereaved children and their families in this "s
t stain" insult yes?blindswelledrat said:
Lost soul said:
err no Pakistan is a country not a race , you are clearly of the hard of thinking
off you go
You complete prick.off you go
But just to clarify, leaving aside whether it is a race or not, you are including all the bereaved children and their families in this "s
t stain" insult yes?Lost soul said:
2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
2013BRM said:
Lost soul said:
more proof that Pakistan is becoming a st stain on humanity
way to go mate, that really ft stain on humanity king helps doesn't it, have you overlooked the fact that these kids were Pakistani? their Indian neighbours are offering support and allegiance for these poor people so I don't know why you feel more aggrieved than them. This has fk all to do with race or religion, it's a bunch of depraved sick bds who need culling as soon as possiblewind your neck in
t stain on humanity? my apologies, I clearly misunderstood you sentimentoff you go
Joey Ramone said:
And although I don't want to get dragged into meaningless debates about moral relativism, I can pretty much guarantee that more than 132 children have been killed in drone attacks launched by US (and potentially UK) forces or government agencies over the past few years.
This is sad but certainly true.US Drone strikes have killed at least 168 children and over 775 innocent civilians in Pakistan according to this article dated 2011, god only knows how many since:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pak...
In just a single attack on a madrassah in 2006 69 children were killed.
Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging but it should come as no surprise that the West's share of the guilt in the killing of children barely gets a mention let alone world wide outrage.
It's this imbalance/sense of unfairness that rankles with the militants and is just one of the reasons that they are still able to recruit from around the world even when they've commited this kind of atrocity, the fact that nobody says anything when the US et all are the guilty party.
Lost soul said:
blindswelledrat said:
Lost soul said:
err no Pakistan is a country not a race , you are clearly of the hard of thinking
off you go
You complete prick.off you go
But just to clarify, leaving aside whether it is a race or not, you are including all the bereaved children and their families in this "s
t stain" insult yes?Did we miss the point?
KareemK said:
Joey Ramone said:
And although I don't want to get dragged into meaningless debates about moral relativism, I can pretty much guarantee that more than 132 children have been killed in drone attacks launched by US (and potentially UK) forces or government agencies over the past few years.
This is but certainly true.US Drone strikes have killed at least 168 children and over 775 innocent civilians in Pakistan according to this article dated 2011, god only knows how many since:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pak...
In just a single attack on a madrassah in 2006 69 children were killed.
Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging but it should come as no surprise that the West's share of the guilt in the killing of children barely gets a mention let alone world wide outrage.
It's this imbalance/sense of unfairness that rankles with the militants and is just one of the reasons that they are still able to recruit from around the world even when they've commited this kind of atrocity, the fact that nobody says anything when the US et all are the guilty party.
Joey Ramone said:
qube_TA said:
Now if you apply the same mindset to Islam and take a literalistic view of the quran and hadiths then you can end up with something quite scary.
Christians are just 'pests' are they? While Muslims are natural born child killers, right, courtesy of their 'book'? In which case, how do you explain the actions of Joseph Kony and his murderous Lord's Resistance Army, a fundamentalist Christian armed group that, while rampaging its way round Uganda and the DRC has made the killing and enslavement of children a speciality. Not to mention the widescale rape and dismemberment of women.k-heads that use their religion as justification for being one, however the difference between say the Bible and the Quran is that the former is a set of evolving stories open to interpretation but there's nothing in it that would justify the kind of head-fkery that is going on in the Islamic world, when we had the dark ages in Europe and would set fire to girls for being witches the Bible was still in Latin and few had any real clue what was in it, the church / pope took advantage of that and it was fairly grim. How the Quran is a literal document, its an unchanging specific set of instructions on how to behave and what to think, it presents the world as simply a test, no matter how awful the fight is you absolutely have to continue otherwise you'll be punished in the afterlife as 'god is all knowing', so will know if you didn't. If you take a literalist view of the different religions you can't justify blowing up a school with any of the others.
You obviously disagree with me, that's cool, but read it, in English it's only about 300 pages won't take you long, it's very illustrative of why these sorts of things keep happening and why they will continue and the more West interferes the more this will become a problem as there will be the literalists who feel it's there divine duty as commanded by a book to martyr themselves and others in the name of Islam as they'll get a special place in paradise.
I don't usually contribute to these threads, mainly because there is so much disgusting vitriol spouted when Islam or Muslim is mentioned...
However, I have been watching the Pakistani news channels last night and this morning, listening to the interviews of children in other schools, the breaking down of grown men, being interviewed in the studios. I have been in tears for hours. the senseless barbarity, killing children is soul-destroying.
The fact that over 800 schools have been targeted by the Taliban over the past 5 years demonstrates what the people of Pakistan have been suffering with, while their name has been besmirched across the world.
This is the culmination of 20-40 years of failing to act on the remnants of the Afghan/Russian invasion. The 'blaming' of religion is complete and utter nonsense. The victims are innocent muslims, and just goes to show that other incidents around the world, whoever are killed, are not the victims of 'Islamists' but Evil, barbaric power crazed nutters being brainwashed to pure evil...
It looks like the Pakistan Prime Minister has brought back public hanging (having been stopped in 2008) this morning as the country calls for all Taliban to rounded up and executed. I don't think I agree with this - but I can certainly understand the anger and sentiment.
I do hope this is a low-point in Pakistan's history, but I fear it won't be. Even if this is the low point, it will take at least 20-40 years for Pakistan to return to the place it was before.
Thats it. I'm off to think about the innocent child victims and their families in Pakistan and will not be rising to any of the online, keyboard p*ki-bashers that will no doubt follow.
However, I have been watching the Pakistani news channels last night and this morning, listening to the interviews of children in other schools, the breaking down of grown men, being interviewed in the studios. I have been in tears for hours. the senseless barbarity, killing children is soul-destroying.
The fact that over 800 schools have been targeted by the Taliban over the past 5 years demonstrates what the people of Pakistan have been suffering with, while their name has been besmirched across the world.
This is the culmination of 20-40 years of failing to act on the remnants of the Afghan/Russian invasion. The 'blaming' of religion is complete and utter nonsense. The victims are innocent muslims, and just goes to show that other incidents around the world, whoever are killed, are not the victims of 'Islamists' but Evil, barbaric power crazed nutters being brainwashed to pure evil...
It looks like the Pakistan Prime Minister has brought back public hanging (having been stopped in 2008) this morning as the country calls for all Taliban to rounded up and executed. I don't think I agree with this - but I can certainly understand the anger and sentiment.
I do hope this is a low-point in Pakistan's history, but I fear it won't be. Even if this is the low point, it will take at least 20-40 years for Pakistan to return to the place it was before.
Thats it. I'm off to think about the innocent child victims and their families in Pakistan and will not be rising to any of the online, keyboard p*ki-bashers that will no doubt follow.
easytiger123 said:
Which entirely ignores that US drone strikes never intended to kill children, but yesterday's attacks (as with all attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists) most certainly did mean to murder as many children as possible.
Something a lot of people seem to forget when citing figures. They also seem to forget that there are inquiries into civilian loss of life and that people are held accountable if they've used inappropriate force or an attack is unjustified (would certainly hate to be in a position to make a call like that). We are still accountable under military and civilian law, plus have to abide by the rules of armed conflict and the various treaties and conventions that comes with it. I completely empathise with the those who have fallen victim to 'collateral damage' and can understand how that would turn people against our foreign policy and with a little manipulation, turn some people into fighters.My memory is hazy, but during my time I don't recall ever being asked to set a teacher on fire in front of a group of terrified children before intentionally executing them.
Edited by Rogue86 on Wednesday 17th December 11:29
KareemK said:
Joey Ramone said:
And although I don't want to get dragged into meaningless debates about moral relativism, I can pretty much guarantee that more than 132 children have been killed in drone attacks launched by US (and potentially UK) forces or government agencies over the past few years.
This is sad but certainly true.US Drone strikes have killed at least 168 children and over 775 innocent civilians in Pakistan according to this article dated 2011, god only knows how many since:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pak...
In just a single attack on a madrassah in 2006 69 children were killed.
Of course yesterdays news was horrific and the perpetrators need hanging but it should come as no surprise that the West's share of the guilt in the killing of children barely gets a mention let alone world wide outrage.
It's this imbalance/sense of unfairness that rankles with the militants and is just one of the reasons that they are still able to recruit from around the world even when they've commited this kind of atrocity, the fact that nobody says anything when the US et all are the guilty party.
t stain now?Perpetual war, it's good for business, good for keeping poor people poor and rich people rich, it controls domestic politics and has always been thus... We've always been at war with Oceania and always will be.
I listened to a chap on R4 this morning and he could barely keep it together. Heartbreaking.
But then I heard that some other local official had suggested that it was a set up, carried out by India.
Undoubtedly, there are decent hard working people in Pakistan who just want to get on with life & not hurt anyone.
However it does appear that corruption pervades the country from top to bottom.
And here's the thing: terrorism, Islam, abuse gangs, Islam, misogyny, Islam, intolerance, Islam and on and on.
Couple that with so many people of Pakistani origin, heritage and/or current tribal practices in the UK that appears to want to identify with such intolerance - the lack of integration for example.
Is it any wonder that there is suspicion, resentment & all the other baggage that has been brewing for over a decade?
In many peoples eyes, Pakistan & it's traditions have a very bad rep & there seems little desire to deal with it.
Whatever the reality, the perception is of a backward country with backward practices & that view is only reinforced by the constant stream of events in the news.
But then I heard that some other local official had suggested that it was a set up, carried out by India.
Undoubtedly, there are decent hard working people in Pakistan who just want to get on with life & not hurt anyone.
However it does appear that corruption pervades the country from top to bottom.
And here's the thing: terrorism, Islam, abuse gangs, Islam, misogyny, Islam, intolerance, Islam and on and on.
Couple that with so many people of Pakistani origin, heritage and/or current tribal practices in the UK that appears to want to identify with such intolerance - the lack of integration for example.
Is it any wonder that there is suspicion, resentment & all the other baggage that has been brewing for over a decade?
In many peoples eyes, Pakistan & it's traditions have a very bad rep & there seems little desire to deal with it.
Whatever the reality, the perception is of a backward country with backward practices & that view is only reinforced by the constant stream of events in the news.
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